Comments on: Java: Linux’s New Best Friend? http://www.linux-mag.com/id/3653/ Open Source, Open Standards Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:31:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: caderik http://www.linux-mag.com/id/3653/#comment-4294 caderik Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/3653/#comment-4294 Java <i>has</i> been Linux friend for a long time at least for enterprise applications.<br /> <br /> It doesn't need any technical changes, openjdk or not, this won't make any difference (except to GPL extremists). The multimedia side is quite mature on Java... There just need to be content providers and users.<br /> <br /> Microsoft Silverlight might have a future on linux for this purpose... The mono team got some impressive results so far. Java has been Linux friend for a long time at least for enterprise applications.

It doesn’t need any technical changes, openjdk or not, this won’t make any difference (except to GPL extremists). The multimedia side is quite mature on Java… There just need to be content providers and users.

Microsoft Silverlight might have a future on linux for this purpose… The mono team got some impressive results so far.

]]> By: intrepi http://www.linux-mag.com/id/3653/#comment-4295 intrepi Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/3653/#comment-4295 I honestly believe the next twenty years will have a big show of computer development in ways and formats that we may not even have now. China is the single, foremost country in the world to develop, market and bring to the forefront an operating system with software and hardware support that would make China really revolutionary with respect to computers. This is no joke as Microsoft walks softly, speaks carefully, gives freely and leaves it's big sticks and threatening ways at home when it goes to visit.<br /> MS is more than aware that China's government uses some form of linux, if the government instructs it's population to become educated, develop and market PC software and hardware based on a new OS or some version of Linux, MS will become nothing more than a flash in the pan of computer history I honestly believe the next twenty years will have a big show of computer development in ways and formats that we may not even have now. China is the single, foremost country in the world to develop, market and bring to the forefront an operating system with software and hardware support that would make China really revolutionary with respect to computers. This is no joke as Microsoft walks softly, speaks carefully, gives freely and leaves it’s big sticks and threatening ways at home when it goes to visit.
MS is more than aware that China’s government uses some form of linux, if the government instructs it’s population to become educated, develop and market PC software and hardware based on a new OS or some version of Linux, MS will become nothing more than a flash in the pan of computer history

]]> By: bryanjrichard http://www.linux-mag.com/id/3653/#comment-4296 bryanjrichard Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/3653/#comment-4296 Rob, I agree that China could have a major impact on computing based on their mass alone. (The Government uses it, Motorola's first Linux-based phone was sold in China, &c.) However, they don't really contribute a lot to <a href="http://english.people.com.cn/200606/17/eng20060617_275003.html" rel="nofollow">Linux development in what would be considered an "open" fashion</a>. <br /> <br /> I think your statement, "if the government instructs it's population..." is pretty interesting. If such a thing is possible -- and it may be, I don't really understand how China works -- then what you're describing is really no different than any other form of technology monopoly. It's not Open. It's not choice. And it certainly wouldn't be adopted by the rest of the world in any way that would greatly impact Microsoft's business. Rob, I agree that China could have a major impact on computing based on their mass alone. (The Government uses it, Motorola’s first Linux-based phone was sold in China, &c.) However, they don’t really contribute a lot to Linux development in what would be considered an “open” fashion.

I think your statement, “if the government instructs it’s population…” is pretty interesting. If such a thing is possible — and it may be, I don’t really understand how China works — then what you’re describing is really no different than any other form of technology monopoly. It’s not Open. It’s not choice. And it certainly wouldn’t be adopted by the rest of the world in any way that would greatly impact Microsoft’s business.

]]> By: fredericritu http://www.linux-mag.com/id/3653/#comment-4297 fredericritu Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/3653/#comment-4297 I agree with the author but the statement he makes remains to be seen:<br /> <br /> "If the codecs ran under an open source JVM and could be licensed legally"<br /> <br /> This may very well be a case of making it work, and then they will come. Need some proof of concept first, though.<br /> <br /> As for China, "if the government instructs the population" is a dictatorial comment.<br /> <br /> This reflects the classic conflict of ancient Greece between Sparta (dictatorship with lots of slaves) and Athens (democracy). But instead of swords and spears, computer programming will be the weapon. My view is that free intellectuals in a free market economy will always prevail over enslaved intellect in a dictatorship.<br /> Freedom, intellect, capitalism and the generation of wealth go hand-in-hand.<br /> China cannot change that, since chinese people are human too... I agree with the author but the statement he makes remains to be seen:

“If the codecs ran under an open source JVM and could be licensed legally”

This may very well be a case of making it work, and then they will come. Need some proof of concept first, though.

As for China, “if the government instructs the population” is a dictatorial comment.

This reflects the classic conflict of ancient Greece between Sparta (dictatorship with lots of slaves) and Athens (democracy). But instead of swords and spears, computer programming will be the weapon. My view is that free intellectuals in a free market economy will always prevail over enslaved intellect in a dictatorship.
Freedom, intellect, capitalism and the generation of wealth go hand-in-hand.
China cannot change that, since chinese people are human too…

]]> By: spremolla http://www.linux-mag.com/id/3653/#comment-4298 spremolla Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/3653/#comment-4298 “If the codecs ran under an open source JVM and could be licensed legally”<br /> <br /> I still don't see the motivation a designer will have to do so, other than the Java moto "Write once, run every where". As some one stated the fact the JVM is open was not the point, no cost JVM has been available for many year on many plataforms, and still we don't see to many codes on java. <br /> <br /> I'm with Linux since 95 and only on Linux since 99, but we have to realize that the non Windows desktop uses are still a small minority. But a growing one ;-)<br /> <br /> Ed “If the codecs ran under an open source JVM and could be licensed legally”

I still don’t see the motivation a designer will have to do so, other than the Java moto “Write once, run every where”. As some one stated the fact the JVM is open was not the point, no cost JVM has been available for many year on many plataforms, and still we don’t see to many codes on java.

I’m with Linux since 95 and only on Linux since 99, but we have to realize that the non Windows desktop uses are still a small minority. But a growing one ;-)

Ed

]]> By: empcrono http://www.linux-mag.com/id/3653/#comment-4299 empcrono Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/3653/#comment-4299 I agree that linux is moving very quick. Let us rember that what makes linux awesome is that it is used by the GNU and its important to rember that the GNU is most of the OS most of the time. Let us support GNU more and more and not linux per se'. The next few years is going to show more and more weaknesses in the Linux model. We must keep strong for the puposes stated in the GNU user agreement! Do not sell our the soul of GNU if you will for exceptiance that would be counter productive! I agree that linux is moving very quick. Let us rember that what makes linux awesome is that it is used by the GNU and its important to rember that the GNU is most of the OS most of the time. Let us support GNU more and more and not linux per se’. The next few years is going to show more and more weaknesses in the Linux model. We must keep strong for the puposes stated in the GNU user agreement! Do not sell our the soul of GNU if you will for exceptiance that would be counter productive!

]]> By: scruffywin http://www.linux-mag.com/id/3653/#comment-4300 scruffywin Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/3653/#comment-4300 > The next few years is going to show more and more weaknesses in the Linux model<br /> <br /> Interesting ... Can you list and describe some of the linux weaknesses as you see them leading away from the GNU? It's not thread wandering because I see java and .net to be the _first_ really useful/practical implemenations of RPC! RPC cannot truely mature until security and bandwidth is the norm. Once that happens, the dream of Java to provide what I call "Tollware" comes true. Then the licensing and 'codec' issues will fall to the wayside. If China figures out how to adopt this first, the GNU had better be translated into Mandarin! > The next few years is going to show more and more weaknesses in the Linux model

Interesting … Can you list and describe some of the linux weaknesses as you see them leading away from the GNU? It’s not thread wandering because I see java and .net to be the _first_ really useful/practical implemenations of RPC! RPC cannot truely mature until security and bandwidth is the norm. Once that happens, the dream of Java to provide what I call “Tollware” comes true. Then the licensing and ‘codec’ issues will fall to the wayside. If China figures out how to adopt this first, the GNU had better be translated into Mandarin!

]]> By: davidsarmstrong http://www.linux-mag.com/id/3653/#comment-4301 davidsarmstrong Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/3653/#comment-4301 As for China instructing its people to use Linux. I don't see this as much different than the current administration and proprietary codecs continuing the MS monopoly. Even states trying to use an open document format is blocked by the courts. When MS feels is monopoly is threatened, it doesn't fight back with better products or prices, it goes to court. Do we really think we have much choice here? As for China instructing its people to use Linux. I don’t see this as much different than the current administration and proprietary codecs continuing the MS monopoly. Even states trying to use an open document format is blocked by the courts. When MS feels is monopoly is threatened, it doesn’t fight back with better products or prices, it goes to court. Do we really think we have much choice here?

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