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		<title>By: ajmillspaugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajmillspaugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 17:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can some one tell me what are all the linux system can do like trays and hardware and icons and stuff like that. What i mean is like windows has a system tray and icons and icons editor and dos commands, what im trying to say is like explorer has info like that. I hop you understand what i mean i just want to put windows and linux together to see whats the deffents is. thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can some one tell me what are all the linux system can do like trays and hardware and icons and stuff like that. What i mean is like windows has a system tray and icons and icons editor and dos commands, what im trying to say is like explorer has info like that. I hop you understand what i mean i just want to put windows and linux together to see whats the deffents is. thanks</p>
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		<title>By: donkongwilson</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4174/#comment-4713</link>
		<dc:creator>donkongwilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the coment &quot;We&#039;ve gone from a sparse and user unfriendly desktop to pretty awesome desktop environments like GNOME, KDE, Xfce, and (if it&#039;s ever finished) Enlightenment&quot; points out one of the biggest problems with widespread adoption of Linux for the desktop. Most users don&#039;t want to choose their desktop environment independent of their OS. You could have 20 computers in an office all with different configurations of Linux. It would be more difficult for users to switch between different Linux configurations than computers running Windows 2000, XP, and Vista. It would be better for Linux if many of these projects such as KDE and GNOME could merge into one keeping the best features of each.&lt;br /&gt;
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Don</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the coment &#8220;We&#8217;ve gone from a sparse and user unfriendly desktop to pretty awesome desktop environments like GNOME, KDE, Xfce, and (if it&#8217;s ever finished) Enlightenment&#8221; points out one of the biggest problems with widespread adoption of Linux for the desktop. Most users don&#8217;t want to choose their desktop environment independent of their OS. You could have 20 computers in an office all with different configurations of Linux. It would be more difficult for users to switch between different Linux configurations than computers running Windows 2000, XP, and Vista. It would be better for Linux if many of these projects such as KDE and GNOME could merge into one keeping the best features of each.</p>
<p>Don</p>
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		<title>By: stormzen</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4174/#comment-4714</link>
		<dc:creator>stormzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your link in the email newsletter is broken.  Where does one go to fill out the survey?</description>
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		<title>By: stormzen</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4174/#comment-4715</link>
		<dc:creator>stormzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree with Don.  I&#039;d rather have the choice rather than someone decide what the &#039;best features&#039; are and merge them together.  Different Desktop / Window managers have different uses.  (For instance, XFCE is a good lightweight option to have if you need a desktop manager on a laptop machine) ...  I don&#039;t use either Gnome or KDE, in fact, I don&#039;t use a desktop manager at all -- I use the Fluxbox window manager.  As long as desktop applications run, it&#039;s all good.&lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t think extra options cause problems with users.  If they don&#039;t want to learn how to use different desktops, they don&#039;t have to...&lt;br /&gt;
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I think the focus should continue to be on the applications that are available for Linux.  I was trying to find a good password management program the other day, didn&#039;t want to use one from a non-mainstream desktop software group because it would be a particularly easy program to write to collect passwords for websites and then dial &quot;home&quot; and share with the programmer.  Gnome has started development on one, however, it seems limited to Gnome applications.  I&#039;d like to see one with less requirements to run... (like http://passwordsafe.sourceforge.net/ - which is specifically written for Windows, last I checked.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with Don.  I&#8217;d rather have the choice rather than someone decide what the &#8216;best features&#8217; are and merge them together.  Different Desktop / Window managers have different uses.  (For instance, XFCE is a good lightweight option to have if you need a desktop manager on a laptop machine) &#8230;  I don&#8217;t use either Gnome or KDE, in fact, I don&#8217;t use a desktop manager at all &#8212; I use the Fluxbox window manager.  As long as desktop applications run, it&#8217;s all good.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think extra options cause problems with users.  If they don&#8217;t want to learn how to use different desktops, they don&#8217;t have to&#8230;</p>
<p>I think the focus should continue to be on the applications that are available for Linux.  I was trying to find a good password management program the other day, didn&#8217;t want to use one from a non-mainstream desktop software group because it would be a particularly easy program to write to collect passwords for websites and then dial &#8220;home&#8221; and share with the programmer.  Gnome has started development on one, however, it seems limited to Gnome applications.  I&#8217;d like to see one with less requirements to run&#8230; (like <a href="http://passwordsafe.sourceforge.net/" rel="nofollow">http://passwordsafe.sourceforge.net/</a> &#8211; which is specifically written for Windows, last I checked.)</p>
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		<title>By: dford</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4174/#comment-4716</link>
		<dc:creator>dford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/2007ClientSurvey</description>
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		<title>By: awc</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4174/#comment-4717</link>
		<dc:creator>awc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Applications: It&#039;s true that some &quot;key&quot; applications are in dire need of advanced development for the corporate environment. But from a consumer&#039;s point of view, Linux is highly usable and lacks little; unless, of course one is a &quot;gamer&quot; in which case titles are better on a PS3 machine. Also, for the mass market, Linux remains a better alternative to MS Vista due to considerations of security and performance. After all, the best app in the world isn&#039;t going to make you more productive if you have to constantly reboot or call the tech guy. (Do you know where your identity is tonight?)&lt;br /&gt;
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Multimedia: Again, this isn&#039;t much of an issue for the consumer market since playback resources are abundant, with the exception of image managers. As for production environments, Linux is worth hassling over to configure, given that the end result will exceed expectations: The film industry uses Linux to churn out high quality products, such as &quot;Shrek&quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Polish: Eye candy should not be the driving force behind a great desktop; usability, stability, and security should be. But even so, how can you argue that Mac OSX or Vista could possibly be better than the astonishing Linux/Compiz environment?&lt;br /&gt;
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I run my business with Linux and will never go back to Windows. My desktop is just fine, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Applications: It&#8217;s true that some &#8220;key&#8221; applications are in dire need of advanced development for the corporate environment. But from a consumer&#8217;s point of view, Linux is highly usable and lacks little; unless, of course one is a &#8220;gamer&#8221; in which case titles are better on a PS3 machine. Also, for the mass market, Linux remains a better alternative to MS Vista due to considerations of security and performance. After all, the best app in the world isn&#8217;t going to make you more productive if you have to constantly reboot or call the tech guy. (Do you know where your identity is tonight?)</p>
<p>Multimedia: Again, this isn&#8217;t much of an issue for the consumer market since playback resources are abundant, with the exception of image managers. As for production environments, Linux is worth hassling over to configure, given that the end result will exceed expectations: The film industry uses Linux to churn out high quality products, such as &#8220;Shrek&#8221;.</p>
<p>Polish: Eye candy should not be the driving force behind a great desktop; usability, stability, and security should be. But even so, how can you argue that Mac OSX or Vista could possibly be better than the astonishing Linux/Compiz environment?</p>
<p>I run my business with Linux and will never go back to Windows. My desktop is just fine, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: leblanc</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4174/#comment-4718</link>
		<dc:creator>leblanc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the biggest complaint is not having windows based applications on linux.  So make it easy for companies to deploy there windows app to linux. &lt;br /&gt;
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c# + novell mono;  &lt;br /&gt;
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finish the mono framework; everything is half baked ... no mit licensed ajax extentions and no enterprise library take the benefit from switching from asp.net to mono.  &lt;br /&gt;
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A lot of companies would like to grow their markets to other operating systems but linux needs to develop more in this area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the biggest complaint is not having windows based applications on linux.  So make it easy for companies to deploy there windows app to linux. </p>
<p>c# + novell mono;  </p>
<p>finish the mono framework; everything is half baked &#8230; no mit licensed ajax extentions and no enterprise library take the benefit from switching from asp.net to mono.  </p>
<p>A lot of companies would like to grow their markets to other operating systems but linux needs to develop more in this area.</p>
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		<title>By: mbaker1020</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4174/#comment-4719</link>
		<dc:creator>mbaker1020</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am crazy about Ubuntu; however after 4 months of using it as my production desktop at work I had to return to windows. The reason? User authentication â€“ PAM/Kerberos nightmare. It seemed to be properly configured as klist would display my current tokens; however my windows account was constantly being locked out. Fix this and I will be back.&lt;br /&gt;
My personal equipment still runs Linux ïŠ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am crazy about Ubuntu; however after 4 months of using it as my production desktop at work I had to return to windows. The reason? User authentication â€“ PAM/Kerberos nightmare. It seemed to be properly configured as klist would display my current tokens; however my windows account was constantly being locked out. Fix this and I will be back.<br />
My personal equipment still runs Linux ïŠ</p>
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		<title>By: janaka</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4174/#comment-4720</link>
		<dc:creator>janaka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cant agree with you more on the Multimedia front!  I&#039;ve tried an array of linux/open source video editing apps.  All of them came short.  So back to paid software for my home movie creations.  Following is a list of highlights in my search:&lt;br /&gt;
Cinelerra - Seems to have lot of features, but is none intuitive and a bit slow.&lt;br /&gt;
Jahshaka - Good for effects. Not much editing features.&lt;br /&gt;
Kino - Still too early in dev.&lt;br /&gt;
Pitivi - Promising since Ubuntu is backing them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cant agree with you more on the Multimedia front!  I&#8217;ve tried an array of linux/open source video editing apps.  All of them came short.  So back to paid software for my home movie creations.  Following is a list of highlights in my search:<br />
Cinelerra &#8211; Seems to have lot of features, but is none intuitive and a bit slow.<br />
Jahshaka &#8211; Good for effects. Not much editing features.<br />
Kino &#8211; Still too early in dev.<br />
Pitivi &#8211; Promising since Ubuntu is backing them.</p>
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		<title>By: jaze</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4174/#comment-4721</link>
		<dc:creator>jaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love Linux, just would prefer if all adobe apps were able to run on it. They&#039;re making some progress with the release of a Flex development enviro and appear to be taking Linux more seriously. I&#039;m sure there are a number of equivalent programs but it&#039;s just not the same as Dreamweaver and there still isn&#039;t a Flash development app (that&#039;s up to date).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love Linux, just would prefer if all adobe apps were able to run on it. They&#8217;re making some progress with the release of a Flex development enviro and appear to be taking Linux more seriously. I&#8217;m sure there are a number of equivalent programs but it&#8217;s just not the same as Dreamweaver and there still isn&#8217;t a Flash development app (that&#8217;s up to date).</p>
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		<title>By: orangewood</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4174/#comment-4722</link>
		<dc:creator>orangewood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Linux, but running the 64-bit version is a royal pain. I have a couple of the AMD dual-core Athlons, and what I get for that is NO good web browser (Firefox won&#039;t run 64 bits, and Ice-ape, Ice-weasel, and Epiphany crash all of the time), and there is no 64-bit release of Adobe/Macromedia Flash, so you aren&#039;t going to be watching YouTube. And most 32-bit plugins have no 64-bit counterparts either.&lt;br /&gt;
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The situation is: Plan on giving up a lot when you migrate to 64 bits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Linux, but running the 64-bit version is a royal pain. I have a couple of the AMD dual-core Athlons, and what I get for that is NO good web browser (Firefox won&#8217;t run 64 bits, and Ice-ape, Ice-weasel, and Epiphany crash all of the time), and there is no 64-bit release of Adobe/Macromedia Flash, so you aren&#8217;t going to be watching YouTube. And most 32-bit plugins have no 64-bit counterparts either.</p>
<p>The situation is: Plan on giving up a lot when you migrate to 64 bits.</p>
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		<title>By: zelator</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4174/#comment-4723</link>
		<dc:creator>zelator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like KDE the way it is at 3.5.2, I don&#039;t want eye-candy, 3D, or transparencies, all I ask is even greater solidity, better documentation, and a built-in word-count for Kate. But I would suggest that the Quicklauncher be used as the default app launcher, rather than the wastefully huge panel icons.&lt;br /&gt;
I have no need of video editors, but there is a shortage of sound recording software, Audacity has no competitor that I can find, while there are hosts of rippers and playback programs.&lt;br /&gt;
Having used both Gnome and KDE I can see the appeal of Gnome for many, but KDE does the job better for me. Diversity should be encouraged, as should convergence, we need applications that are not desktop-specific, but we need different desktops for different kinds of work, and different kinds of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like KDE the way it is at 3.5.2, I don&#8217;t want eye-candy, 3D, or transparencies, all I ask is even greater solidity, better documentation, and a built-in word-count for Kate. But I would suggest that the Quicklauncher be used as the default app launcher, rather than the wastefully huge panel icons.<br />
I have no need of video editors, but there is a shortage of sound recording software, Audacity has no competitor that I can find, while there are hosts of rippers and playback programs.<br />
Having used both Gnome and KDE I can see the appeal of Gnome for many, but KDE does the job better for me. Diversity should be encouraged, as should convergence, we need applications that are not desktop-specific, but we need different desktops for different kinds of work, and different kinds of people.</p>
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		<title>By: donkongwilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>donkongwilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a big fan of Linux. However, I think all of us reading this are developers or power users. Windows is still much easier for the average desktop user. As an example, I just added a hard disk to a Fedora 7 system. The various desktop environments are not really very integrated to the OS. To do this kind of upgrade the user must go to a terminal window and type fdisk and mkfs commands, and edit /etc/fstab with the editor of his/her choice. Adding hard disks to Windows systems is much easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a big fan of Linux. However, I think all of us reading this are developers or power users. Windows is still much easier for the average desktop user. As an example, I just added a hard disk to a Fedora 7 system. The various desktop environments are not really very integrated to the OS. To do this kind of upgrade the user must go to a terminal window and type fdisk and mkfs commands, and edit /etc/fstab with the editor of his/her choice. Adding hard disks to Windows systems is much easier.</p>
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		<title>By: leblanc</title>
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		<dc:creator>leblanc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>orangewood:&lt;br /&gt;
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migrate to opensuse 10.3 64 bit; i&#039;m running it on amd dual-core athlons without a problem.&lt;br /&gt;
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but most software in the repository strictly have 32 bit in the title. Good thing i haven&#039;t needed any of them yet - so i haven&#039;t tested if they&#039;ll run on 64; however all major server apps seem to work [apache, postfix, bind, samba ect] .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>orangewood:</p>
<p>migrate to opensuse 10.3 64 bit; i&#8217;m running it on amd dual-core athlons without a problem.</p>
<p>but most software in the repository strictly have 32 bit in the title. Good thing i haven&#8217;t needed any of them yet &#8211; so i haven&#8217;t tested if they&#8217;ll run on 64; however all major server apps seem to work [apache, postfix, bind, samba ect] .</p>
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		<title>By: normfox</title>
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		<dc:creator>normfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don Wilson pretty much hit the nail on the head.  The biggest problem I see with Linux becoming a viable option for the masses (and I don&#039;t mean those with personal tech support, i.e. you setting up Great Aunt Tilly&#039;s box for her) is that it&#039;s still being developed by people who still use vi.  You should be able to fully configure and run Linux without ever knowing that the command line exists.  Ditto for hand editing *.conf files. Build simple to understand, elegant GUI&#039;s for everything.  If that&#039;s too onerous then fine, but please realize that taking that stance will eternally regulate Linux to power geeks and masochists like myself who are willing to waste hours on bulletin boards trying figure out how to do something as simple as auto mount a network share. &lt;br /&gt;
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Linux desktop developers should be required to spend at least a month using nothing but a Mac to get the idea.  (If I could run OS X on a white box, or Apple had a better selection of hardware, I&#039;d leave Linux in a heart beat, though I&#039;d miss the configurability of the desktop)&lt;br /&gt;
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Another mindset issue I see is that even as Linux talks about a desktop community it seems to still be focused entirely on businesses.  Point in case there was no option in the survey for using Linux in the home.  I&#039;m also guessing this is also why the switch to cifs for mounting Samba shares has required multiple headaches for my home network.  By requiring static IPs and domain names to auto mount a share. Rather than just sniffing the local network for the share name. &lt;br /&gt;
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All that being said, once configured I find that Linux is definitely easier and more reliable to operate than Windows.  At least until you inadvertently install a new kernel while loading what you thought were &quot;security updates&quot;. &lt;br /&gt;
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The reasons I still boot into my windows partition (I&#039;d love to access it as a VM but all attempts to set up either VMware or Parallels to access my windows partition have failed)  are as follows:&lt;br /&gt;
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Printing photos:  While I&#039;ve gotten fairly accustomed to GIMP (I still feel more comfortable in Photoshop), the driver support for my firewire connected EPSON R1800 is severely lacking and there are no ICC profiles for Linux (They adjust what I see on the screen to look exactly like what will come out of the printer).&lt;br /&gt;
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Editing home movies:  Kino actually works?  I installed it but could never get it to work.&lt;br /&gt;
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Visual Studio: I&#039;m a PHP/MySQL developer but I&#039;m occasionally called on to integrate data stored in MySQL with M$ Office apps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don Wilson pretty much hit the nail on the head.  The biggest problem I see with Linux becoming a viable option for the masses (and I don&#8217;t mean those with personal tech support, i.e. you setting up Great Aunt Tilly&#8217;s box for her) is that it&#8217;s still being developed by people who still use vi.  You should be able to fully configure and run Linux without ever knowing that the command line exists.  Ditto for hand editing *.conf files. Build simple to understand, elegant GUI&#8217;s for everything.  If that&#8217;s too onerous then fine, but please realize that taking that stance will eternally regulate Linux to power geeks and masochists like myself who are willing to waste hours on bulletin boards trying figure out how to do something as simple as auto mount a network share. </p>
<p>Linux desktop developers should be required to spend at least a month using nothing but a Mac to get the idea.  (If I could run OS X on a white box, or Apple had a better selection of hardware, I&#8217;d leave Linux in a heart beat, though I&#8217;d miss the configurability of the desktop)</p>
<p>Another mindset issue I see is that even as Linux talks about a desktop community it seems to still be focused entirely on businesses.  Point in case there was no option in the survey for using Linux in the home.  I&#8217;m also guessing this is also why the switch to cifs for mounting Samba shares has required multiple headaches for my home network.  By requiring static IPs and domain names to auto mount a share. Rather than just sniffing the local network for the share name. </p>
<p>All that being said, once configured I find that Linux is definitely easier and more reliable to operate than Windows.  At least until you inadvertently install a new kernel while loading what you thought were &#8220;security updates&#8221;. </p>
<p>The reasons I still boot into my windows partition (I&#8217;d love to access it as a VM but all attempts to set up either VMware or Parallels to access my windows partition have failed)  are as follows:</p>
<p>Printing photos:  While I&#8217;ve gotten fairly accustomed to GIMP (I still feel more comfortable in Photoshop), the driver support for my firewire connected EPSON R1800 is severely lacking and there are no ICC profiles for Linux (They adjust what I see on the screen to look exactly like what will come out of the printer).</p>
<p>Editing home movies:  Kino actually works?  I installed it but could never get it to work.</p>
<p>Visual Studio: I&#8217;m a PHP/MySQL developer but I&#8217;m occasionally called on to integrate data stored in MySQL with M$ Office apps.</p>
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		<title>By: jzb</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Norm, &lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, Kino does work (or, I&#039;ve gotten it to work) and have had pretty good luck up to a point with basic editing -- but it lacks a lot of the stability, features and polish that would make it suitable for use beyond editing home video or playing around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Norm, </p>
<p>Yeah, Kino does work (or, I&#8217;ve gotten it to work) and have had pretty good luck up to a point with basic editing &#8212; but it lacks a lot of the stability, features and polish that would make it suitable for use beyond editing home video or playing around.</p>
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		<title>By: auspex</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could have sworn I&#039;d seen something about barcodes with Tellico (collection manager), and sure enough: http://www.nabble.com/Barcode-recognition-t4433933.html&lt;br /&gt;
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Since I just got an HP laptop with built-in webcam, I&#039;m going home tonight to see if it works (though getting the webcam to work with Ekiga or Kopete would be nicer).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could have sworn I&#8217;d seen something about barcodes with Tellico (collection manager), and sure enough: <a href="http://www.nabble.com/Barcode-recognition-t4433933.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nabble.com/Barcode-recognition-t4433933.html</a></p>
<p>Since I just got an HP laptop with built-in webcam, I&#8217;m going home tonight to see if it works (though getting the webcam to work with Ekiga or Kopete would be nicer).</p>
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		<title>By: dthompso</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The wireless support needs to be put in place.  Currently it simply does not work</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The wireless support needs to be put in place.  Currently it simply does not work</p>
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		<title>By: ecr959</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,  I agree with lots of the things you said.  &lt;br /&gt;
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But this thing about there is no good contact manager,.. well, I still hesitate to use Evolution, but I have heard good things about how much it has improved.  Have you tried it ?    I also like, and use Jpilot,  I think it is getting better, and better.   Have you tried Jpilot ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,  I agree with lots of the things you said.  </p>
<p>But this thing about there is no good contact manager,.. well, I still hesitate to use Evolution, but I have heard good things about how much it has improved.  Have you tried it ?    I also like, and use Jpilot,  I think it is getting better, and better.   Have you tried Jpilot ?</p>
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		<title>By: jzb</title>
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		<description>Hi Eddie, &lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for the comments. I&#039;ve tried Evolution, several times -- it&#039;s not really a good contact manager *or* mail client, IMHO. I&#039;ve also tried JPilot, but it doesn&#039;t really work in the way I&#039;m talking about, or at least didn&#039;t the last time I tried it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eddie, </p>
<p>Thanks for the comments. I&#8217;ve tried Evolution, several times &#8212; it&#8217;s not really a good contact manager *or* mail client, IMHO. I&#8217;ve also tried JPilot, but it doesn&#8217;t really work in the way I&#8217;m talking about, or at least didn&#8217;t the last time I tried it.</p>
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