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		<title>By: pcos diet plan</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2013 06:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to thank you for the efforts you&#039;ve put in penning this blog.

I really hope to see the same high-grade content by you later on as well.

In truth, your creative writing abilities has encouraged me to get my own blog now ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to thank you for the efforts you&#8217;ve put in penning this blog.</p>
<p>I really hope to see the same high-grade content by you later on as well.</p>
<p>In truth, your creative writing abilities has encouraged me to get my own blog now ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Best replacement windows canada</title>
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		<title>By: johnfisher</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just switched from Fedora to Ubuntu on my desktop, and I think its really quite good. Good in the sense that Macs are good: easy to install, full of features, easy to upgrade. It is still bad on video and audio, though inherently less limited than Fedora. ( bad = I have to load some extra stuff and bang around apt-get for a while to get it to work). Unlike Leopard, it is fully configurable, so if you don&#039;t like weird new filesystems or transparent unreadable menus, you can have it your way.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, I agree with your trickle-up point about Linux. The Android phone sdk release from Google along with other open-source phone initiatives, make Linux the logical OS for smart mobile devices. Both Sun ( for a Java licensing run-around) and Microsoft ( for missing one of the few growth markets available) are going to take a hard blow if this continues. I don&#039;t know about Symbian.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just switched from Fedora to Ubuntu on my desktop, and I think its really quite good. Good in the sense that Macs are good: easy to install, full of features, easy to upgrade. It is still bad on video and audio, though inherently less limited than Fedora. ( bad = I have to load some extra stuff and bang around apt-get for a while to get it to work). Unlike Leopard, it is fully configurable, so if you don&#8217;t like weird new filesystems or transparent unreadable menus, you can have it your way.</p>
<p>Also, I agree with your trickle-up point about Linux. The Android phone sdk release from Google along with other open-source phone initiatives, make Linux the logical OS for smart mobile devices. Both Sun ( for a Java licensing run-around) and Microsoft ( for missing one of the few growth markets available) are going to take a hard blow if this continues. I don&#8217;t know about Symbian.</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: sn3ipen</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linux is just perfevt for small slimmed down devices. Just look at the google os for mobile devices for an example. It looks like this is going to be huge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linux is just perfevt for small slimmed down devices. Just look at the google os for mobile devices for an example. It looks like this is going to be huge.</p>
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		<title>By: hhemken</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4357/#comment-4801</link>
		<dc:creator>hhemken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying &quot;X year will be the year of the blah blah blah&quot; is pure hype. The history of GNU/Linux is of gradual growth, improvement, evolution, debugging, refactoring, addition of features, etc. No year was really the year of anything for GNU/Linux. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Its penetration of The Userland of the Unwashed will also be gradual, insidious, inexorable, and largely unnoticed. Eventually we will observe that a lot of people seem to be using it. &quot;When did that happen?&quot; we will ask ourselves. Even now GNU/Linux boxes are snapped up at WalMart at a savage rate. Where do they go? Who uses them? Do they keep the OS or slap on a pirated Windows version? Is Microsoft quickly buying them all up and dropping them in the Ocean? Who knows.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At my humble home, we are finally migrating away from Windows. All new boxes, starting with one I built last weekend, will run only Ubuntu. This will not be easy, as I have already found that TurboCAD and Cossacks Expansion do not run under Wine. Negative points there. We all have little boxes full of software CDs that only run on Windows. Making sure they are still useful will be necessary for the migration to be truly successful. At the moment some work, some don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying &#8220;X year will be the year of the blah blah blah&#8221; is pure hype. The history of GNU/Linux is of gradual growth, improvement, evolution, debugging, refactoring, addition of features, etc. No year was really the year of anything for GNU/Linux. </p>
<p>Its penetration of The Userland of the Unwashed will also be gradual, insidious, inexorable, and largely unnoticed. Eventually we will observe that a lot of people seem to be using it. &#8220;When did that happen?&#8221; we will ask ourselves. Even now GNU/Linux boxes are snapped up at WalMart at a savage rate. Where do they go? Who uses them? Do they keep the OS or slap on a pirated Windows version? Is Microsoft quickly buying them all up and dropping them in the Ocean? Who knows.</p>
<p>At my humble home, we are finally migrating away from Windows. All new boxes, starting with one I built last weekend, will run only Ubuntu. This will not be easy, as I have already found that TurboCAD and Cossacks Expansion do not run under Wine. Negative points there. We all have little boxes full of software CDs that only run on Windows. Making sure they are still useful will be necessary for the migration to be truly successful. At the moment some work, some don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: weldoc</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the only thing that keeps Microsoft in business is the Microsoft Office suite. If they did not have that then Vista would have been the latest nail in Microsofts coffin. As an IT administrator Vista is a real pain. Give me one more good reason to go to Linux Bill! Don&#039;t just change your OS, change all the terminology too, and make my support life a nightmare. Microsoft you suck. There I said it.&lt;br /&gt;
As far as Linux goes every flavor I try gets better and better. My latest favorite is PClinuxOS installed on my Dell Laptop. I finally got the wireless to work! OMG what fun I have just using this. I recommend Linux and show it off all the time, and though people are impressed, they still are afraid to go for it. Some would rather spend more money and go to MAC?? Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the only thing that keeps Microsoft in business is the Microsoft Office suite. If they did not have that then Vista would have been the latest nail in Microsofts coffin. As an IT administrator Vista is a real pain. Give me one more good reason to go to Linux Bill! Don&#8217;t just change your OS, change all the terminology too, and make my support life a nightmare. Microsoft you suck. There I said it.<br />
As far as Linux goes every flavor I try gets better and better. My latest favorite is PClinuxOS installed on my Dell Laptop. I finally got the wireless to work! OMG what fun I have just using this. I recommend Linux and show it off all the time, and though people are impressed, they still are afraid to go for it. Some would rather spend more money and go to MAC?? Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: dow</title>
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		<dc:creator>dow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been using Linux for 7 years as a desktop. I hate the klutzy Windows computers. I like Linux because it is better at almost everything, and you can create new things with it. I have my old copy of Windows 2000 running in a virtual machine, and I can&#039;t bring myself to give Microsoft money for a newer version of Windows because I can do everything that it could do and more with a Linux OS. However, I am a scientist and do a lot of research and publishing. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Marketing is the problem. American consumers have to be told what to buy, and no one is telling them to buy Linux operating systems because there is no money in selling something that is free. Computers are much to complex to have an instinctive appeal. The average person has to struggle to learn how to use one. Each person needs a supporter and a teacher. So, the OS that has the most number of users is going to spread among the home users simply because there are more supporters and teachers of it, ie. Windows.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Market forces are spreading Linux into the server area, where competent system administrators understand the value of Linux, and the cost of commercial server software is a negative inducement.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Linux use could spread in other niche areas. Computer clubs are helping with their install-fests. It could be a good system in academic areas. I wish k-12 teachers would get with it, and it is great for universities. It is evolving so fast that I believe that most people don&#039;t understand how good it has become.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Ordinary commercial consumer marketing is not going to take Linux anywhere. The profits of Linux go only to the user not to the marketer. I think that experienced Linux desktop users should tell people how good it is, because they will eventually appreciate this information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been using Linux for 7 years as a desktop. I hate the klutzy Windows computers. I like Linux because it is better at almost everything, and you can create new things with it. I have my old copy of Windows 2000 running in a virtual machine, and I can&#8217;t bring myself to give Microsoft money for a newer version of Windows because I can do everything that it could do and more with a Linux OS. However, I am a scientist and do a lot of research and publishing. </p>
<p>Marketing is the problem. American consumers have to be told what to buy, and no one is telling them to buy Linux operating systems because there is no money in selling something that is free. Computers are much to complex to have an instinctive appeal. The average person has to struggle to learn how to use one. Each person needs a supporter and a teacher. So, the OS that has the most number of users is going to spread among the home users simply because there are more supporters and teachers of it, ie. Windows.</p>
<p>Market forces are spreading Linux into the server area, where competent system administrators understand the value of Linux, and the cost of commercial server software is a negative inducement.</p>
<p>Linux use could spread in other niche areas. Computer clubs are helping with their install-fests. It could be a good system in academic areas. I wish k-12 teachers would get with it, and it is great for universities. It is evolving so fast that I believe that most people don&#8217;t understand how good it has become.</p>
<p>Ordinary commercial consumer marketing is not going to take Linux anywhere. The profits of Linux go only to the user not to the marketer. I think that experienced Linux desktop users should tell people how good it is, because they will eventually appreciate this information.</p>
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		<title>By: thepaul1957</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of naming 2008 the &quot;Year of the Linux Desktop&quot; and then having to turn around and explain why it didn&#039;t happen; call 2008 the &quot;Year that Linux doesn&#039;t happen on desktops&quot; and see what happens  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of naming 2008 the &#8220;Year of the Linux Desktop&#8221; and then having to turn around and explain why it didn&#8217;t happen; call 2008 the &#8220;Year that Linux doesn&#8217;t happen on desktops&#8221; and see what happens  :)</p>
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		<title>By: olwe</title>
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		<dc:creator>olwe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got a new laptop (VAIO) with Vista Home Premium pre-installed. It&#039;s got 1 gig RAM and 130gb hard drive. Well, I don&#039;t really like MS nor do I like Vista. I&#039;m sure a crack MS OS expert to flail and fillet it down to functional behavior, but over the weeks, it&#039;s gotten slower and slower, no doubt because of the goop and gomm that Vista combined with all the rank shovel-ware that it came with.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So I&#039;ve installed Umbuntu 7.10, which is a slightly better install and use scenario than Fedora. Unfortunately, the fonts are still a bit off. Luckily, the KDE &quot;add new fonts&quot; works finally, but still the anti-aliasing isn&#039;t as good as Vista, and the default sans (which comes up on Web pages frequently) is a jaggy, badly kerned disaster. I know many may consider fonts just eye-candy, but it&#039;s one of the most important things about the UI experience. And not until fonts look and work smoothly will Linux be ready for prime-time...IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got a new laptop (VAIO) with Vista Home Premium pre-installed. It&#8217;s got 1 gig RAM and 130gb hard drive. Well, I don&#8217;t really like MS nor do I like Vista. I&#8217;m sure a crack MS OS expert to flail and fillet it down to functional behavior, but over the weeks, it&#8217;s gotten slower and slower, no doubt because of the goop and gomm that Vista combined with all the rank shovel-ware that it came with.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;ve installed Umbuntu 7.10, which is a slightly better install and use scenario than Fedora. Unfortunately, the fonts are still a bit off. Luckily, the KDE &#8220;add new fonts&#8221; works finally, but still the anti-aliasing isn&#8217;t as good as Vista, and the default sans (which comes up on Web pages frequently) is a jaggy, badly kerned disaster. I know many may consider fonts just eye-candy, but it&#8217;s one of the most important things about the UI experience. And not until fonts look and work smoothly will Linux be ready for prime-time&#8230;IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: ggoodspeed</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linux will not appear on a significant share of desktop computers until a significant share of the applications available for Windows are ported to Linux.  I am an IT pro who has used Linux on servers for the past seven years, but I can&#039;t imagine putting it on my home computer.  I&#039;d have to find replacements for Quicken, my HP all-in-one printer, my audio recording software, and my drawing and desktop publishing software.  I would spend so much time finding and learning to use the replacements that I wouldn&#039;t get any work done for weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linux will not appear on a significant share of desktop computers until a significant share of the applications available for Windows are ported to Linux.  I am an IT pro who has used Linux on servers for the past seven years, but I can&#8217;t imagine putting it on my home computer.  I&#8217;d have to find replacements for Quicken, my HP all-in-one printer, my audio recording software, and my drawing and desktop publishing software.  I would spend so much time finding and learning to use the replacements that I wouldn&#8217;t get any work done for weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: greghill</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that Linux is not Windows, neither is MacOSX. In the publishing business we use a combination of OSs, I think more out of habit than anything else. Our business office uses Windows-based computers (number crunching and billing functions) while the production department uses MacOSX along with the editorial section. Each has its advantages. However, I run a Toshiba Satellite laptop (about 6 years old - upraded memory and hard drive) with Windows (company policy) on one half of the hard drive and Ubuntu 7.04 on the other half. With this Linux system and its now maturing graphics tools (and Scribus for desktop publishing), I can not only enjoy the best office tools available, along with producing some astounding graphics and manage a website as well. Do I think Linux is ready for the desktop? You betcha. Both my home systems are running Linux as well. I must say that making the transition was a bit daunting, but once I started to think about what I wanted the computer to do, things became a lot easier. With all the latest improvements and the work being done on some of the major projects, 2008 just could be the year for widespread linux acceptance. Time will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that Linux is not Windows, neither is MacOSX. In the publishing business we use a combination of OSs, I think more out of habit than anything else. Our business office uses Windows-based computers (number crunching and billing functions) while the production department uses MacOSX along with the editorial section. Each has its advantages. However, I run a Toshiba Satellite laptop (about 6 years old &#8211; upraded memory and hard drive) with Windows (company policy) on one half of the hard drive and Ubuntu 7.04 on the other half. With this Linux system and its now maturing graphics tools (and Scribus for desktop publishing), I can not only enjoy the best office tools available, along with producing some astounding graphics and manage a website as well. Do I think Linux is ready for the desktop? You betcha. Both my home systems are running Linux as well. I must say that making the transition was a bit daunting, but once I started to think about what I wanted the computer to do, things became a lot easier. With all the latest improvements and the work being done on some of the major projects, 2008 just could be the year for widespread linux acceptance. Time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: adler</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Come to think of it 2008 could be the year of &quot;Everything Linux&quot;, not just the Desktop. Linux as the Desktop replacement has been talked about forever, but this time around you could come true.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Let&#039;s look @ the fact that Vi$ta is going nowhere fast, and is a resource hog. Then comes the MAC flap over too many up-dates. Well, harden my arteries with some AppArmour, and give me my Linux.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There are too many companies now shipping Linux Boxes, even Wal-Mart has an offering. Then comes all those server offerings with certified Linux systems.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m glad that I was an early adopter &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Happy New Year - Linux.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
JJMacey&lt;br /&gt;
www.jjmacey.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All,</p>
<p>Come to think of it 2008 could be the year of &#8220;Everything Linux&#8221;, not just the Desktop. Linux as the Desktop replacement has been talked about forever, but this time around you could come true.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look @ the fact that Vi$ta is going nowhere fast, and is a resource hog. Then comes the MAC flap over too many up-dates. Well, harden my arteries with some AppArmour, and give me my Linux.</p>
<p>There are too many companies now shipping Linux Boxes, even Wal-Mart has an offering. Then comes all those server offerings with certified Linux systems.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that I was an early adopter </p>
<p>Happy New Year &#8211; Linux.</p>
<p>JJMacey<br />
<a href="http://www.jjmacey.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.jjmacey.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: mandaksk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mandaksk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Moving Linux to desktop has these drawbacks, as far as i see.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1) Newbie CANNOT survive in linux&lt;br /&gt;
In linux, it needs some learning before understanding the system. and a new bie, as i was, cannot understand it quickly. It needs passion in you to learn it and use it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2) Multimedia support is almost invisible&lt;br /&gt;
Major desktop purpose is playing MP3s, MPEGs and other dvd movies. Browsing, office suites etc are after that. All (i can say all) distros have removed this support. Though i install via RPMs, 80% is a failure.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
3) No single distro to follow.&lt;br /&gt;
Linux has about 100 distros each offering unique functionality. I want all of them but cannot have them. M$ windows consolidates all features into one and I can use them. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
4) Solving a problem is a bit pain&lt;br /&gt;
If i have problem in linux, i need to go through some hundreds of incomplete forums, each specifying to use a particular distro. Methods there work for me only 20%.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
5) Updates are very frequent.&lt;br /&gt;
Linux distros release new versions every 6 months. If they go on releasing new versions, which one should i decide to go. Plus, There is no service pack kind of mechanism followed, where in i can get a single consolidated update file and install it, as windows has.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hope fully, these issues SHOULD be solved, before declaring that linux can fit as desktop.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
- Manda Krishna Srikanth&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.krishnasrikanth.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.krishnasrikanth.com/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Moving Linux to desktop has these drawbacks, as far as i see.</p>
<p>1) Newbie CANNOT survive in linux<br />
In linux, it needs some learning before understanding the system. and a new bie, as i was, cannot understand it quickly. It needs passion in you to learn it and use it.</p>
<p>2) Multimedia support is almost invisible<br />
Major desktop purpose is playing MP3s, MPEGs and other dvd movies. Browsing, office suites etc are after that. All (i can say all) distros have removed this support. Though i install via RPMs, 80% is a failure.</p>
<p>3) No single distro to follow.<br />
Linux has about 100 distros each offering unique functionality. I want all of them but cannot have them. M$ windows consolidates all features into one and I can use them. </p>
<p>4) Solving a problem is a bit pain<br />
If i have problem in linux, i need to go through some hundreds of incomplete forums, each specifying to use a particular distro. Methods there work for me only 20%.</p>
<p>5) Updates are very frequent.<br />
Linux distros release new versions every 6 months. If they go on releasing new versions, which one should i decide to go. Plus, There is no service pack kind of mechanism followed, where in i can get a single consolidated update file and install it, as windows has.</p>
<p>Hope fully, these issues SHOULD be solved, before declaring that linux can fit as desktop.</p>
<p>- Manda Krishna Srikanth<br />
<a href="http://www.krishnasrikanth.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.krishnasrikanth.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: silkbc</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4357/#comment-4810</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been using Linux on my desktop for 6 years now and have not missed MS Windows as my primary OS at all.  I currently use Ubuntu (7.04 and more recently 7.10)  To answer some critics....&lt;br /&gt;
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To ggoodspeed: GNUCash is an excellent replacement for Quicken, and can even import quicken information.  I also have an HP all-in-one and the &quot;HPLIP&quot; toolbox has absolutely no problems with it.  Not sure about drawing and desktop publishing software, as I don&#039;t do that (I know they exist under Linux; just not sure how good they are)&lt;br /&gt;
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To Krishna Srikanth: I couldn&#039;t disagree with point #1 more.  If you sit someone down who has never touched a computer before (i.e., a &quot;newbie&quot;), learning Linux is absolutely no different than learning MS Windows or MacOS, for that matter.  It&#039;s the learning curve of going from one OS to another that is hard.  Point #2 about multimedia support also could not be any more wrong.  Amarok, MPlayer, Xine, Xmms... all *excellent* media players, as good as, if not better, than anything on MS Windows or MacOS.  For point #3, what sort of &quot;functionality&quot; is missing from one distro to another?  They all do email, web browsing, multimedia; what more are you looking for that one distro has and others miss?  I can agree with you on point #4, but the support I have been able to get from newsgroups and mailing lists is generally far better and more helpful than any paid-for support I have ever sought.  Point #5... why do you need a &quot;Service Pack&quot; type of rollup?  My Ubuntu checks for updates daily, lets me know when they&#039;re available and I say &quot;Yes&quot; to download and install them; sounds just like how they do it on MS Windws to me.  Other distros have similar update mechanisms.&lt;br /&gt;
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I hereby declare Linux more than ready for the desktop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been using Linux on my desktop for 6 years now and have not missed MS Windows as my primary OS at all.  I currently use Ubuntu (7.04 and more recently 7.10)  To answer some critics&#8230;.</p>
<p>To ggoodspeed: GNUCash is an excellent replacement for Quicken, and can even import quicken information.  I also have an HP all-in-one and the &#8220;HPLIP&#8221; toolbox has absolutely no problems with it.  Not sure about drawing and desktop publishing software, as I don&#8217;t do that (I know they exist under Linux; just not sure how good they are)</p>
<p>To Krishna Srikanth: I couldn&#8217;t disagree with point #1 more.  If you sit someone down who has never touched a computer before (i.e., a &#8220;newbie&#8221;), learning Linux is absolutely no different than learning MS Windows or MacOS, for that matter.  It&#8217;s the learning curve of going from one OS to another that is hard.  Point #2 about multimedia support also could not be any more wrong.  Amarok, MPlayer, Xine, Xmms&#8230; all *excellent* media players, as good as, if not better, than anything on MS Windows or MacOS.  For point #3, what sort of &#8220;functionality&#8221; is missing from one distro to another?  They all do email, web browsing, multimedia; what more are you looking for that one distro has and others miss?  I can agree with you on point #4, but the support I have been able to get from newsgroups and mailing lists is generally far better and more helpful than any paid-for support I have ever sought.  Point #5&#8230; why do you need a &#8220;Service Pack&#8221; type of rollup?  My Ubuntu checks for updates daily, lets me know when they&#8217;re available and I say &#8220;Yes&#8221; to download and install them; sounds just like how they do it on MS Windws to me.  Other distros have similar update mechanisms.</p>
<p>I hereby declare Linux more than ready for the desktop.</p>
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		<title>By: doniel</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4357/#comment-4811</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Olwe Melwasul about the Ubuntu font problem (and I&#039;m sure the same applies to the other distros). I think having clear, sharp, readable fonts that don&#039;t tire the eyes is important. Maybe I just don&#039;t know how to get it right, but in my experience Linud just isn&#039;t there yet on that score.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Olwe Melwasul about the Ubuntu font problem (and I&#8217;m sure the same applies to the other distros). I think having clear, sharp, readable fonts that don&#8217;t tire the eyes is important. Maybe I just don&#8217;t know how to get it right, but in my experience Linud just isn&#8217;t there yet on that score.</p>
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		<title>By: ijm51</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4357/#comment-4812</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot the decTOP in the cheap PC list at$99.00 its the cheapest in the bunch.&lt;br /&gt;
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Linux is here and has been for a while, it is already on the desktop, of a few of us, the question is will 2008 be the year of mass desktop Linux adoption? I think the answer is &#039;very probably&#039; the price of the hardware will be the driving factor and this is the authors key argument.  However MS won&#039;t take this lying down it can&#039;t afford to, the eeePC is going to have an XP version and MS could start selling an obsolete XP OS/office bundle to OEMs tailored for low end hardware at a give away price, the devil you know to the devil you don&#039;t, the average user faced with such a choice will sadly go the MS way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot the decTOP in the cheap PC list at$99.00 its the cheapest in the bunch.</p>
<p>Linux is here and has been for a while, it is already on the desktop, of a few of us, the question is will 2008 be the year of mass desktop Linux adoption? I think the answer is &#8216;very probably&#8217; the price of the hardware will be the driving factor and this is the authors key argument.  However MS won&#8217;t take this lying down it can&#8217;t afford to, the eeePC is going to have an XP version and MS could start selling an obsolete XP OS/office bundle to OEMs tailored for low end hardware at a give away price, the devil you know to the devil you don&#8217;t, the average user faced with such a choice will sadly go the MS way.</p>
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		<title>By: mickza</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4357/#comment-4813</link>
		<dc:creator>mickza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been using linux on the desktop since redhat 9, currently Fedora 7. For my clients I have been installing Ubuntu on the majority of new systems since ver 7.04 was released - a very user friendly distro.&lt;br /&gt;
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BUT I hesitate to say that Linux will ever take over the desktop whilst the majority of the banking community stay tied to Explorer for online transactions (which is the case here in South Africa) - a MS presence is required for banking &amp; credit control funtions. I don&#039;t regard Wine as the answer as you end up with a &quot;neither fish nor fowl&quot; solution with its own inherent problems - not ideal.&lt;br /&gt;
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I sometimes wonder what licensing discounts the financial sector receive from MS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using linux on the desktop since redhat 9, currently Fedora 7. For my clients I have been installing Ubuntu on the majority of new systems since ver 7.04 was released &#8211; a very user friendly distro.</p>
<p>BUT I hesitate to say that Linux will ever take over the desktop whilst the majority of the banking community stay tied to Explorer for online transactions (which is the case here in South Africa) &#8211; a MS presence is required for banking &amp; credit control funtions. I don&#8217;t regard Wine as the answer as you end up with a &#8220;neither fish nor fowl&#8221; solution with its own inherent problems &#8211; not ideal.</p>
<p>I sometimes wonder what licensing discounts the financial sector receive from MS.</p>
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		<title>By: martinrinehart</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4357/#comment-4814</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doniel, re fonts, my Linux (Linspire, KDE) fonts are much better than my Windows fonts. &lt;br /&gt;
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Is anyone going to explain why Tiger orders 4,000 Linux boxes, sells them out almost instantly and then doesn&#039;t reorder?&lt;br /&gt;
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And when will the Linux core grow up? Try to post a bug re Konqueror&#039;s rendering, but I can&#039;t. &quot;Version not late enough.&quot; Can I DL the latest version? Nope. &quot;DL the sources&quot; and build a new one. As long as the community is run by &quot;DL the sources&quot; insiders, Linux isn&#039;t happening on the desktop.&lt;br /&gt;
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The technology is there. The attitude is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doniel, re fonts, my Linux (Linspire, KDE) fonts are much better than my Windows fonts. </p>
<p>Is anyone going to explain why Tiger orders 4,000 Linux boxes, sells them out almost instantly and then doesn&#8217;t reorder?</p>
<p>And when will the Linux core grow up? Try to post a bug re Konqueror&#8217;s rendering, but I can&#8217;t. &#8220;Version not late enough.&#8221; Can I DL the latest version? Nope. &#8220;DL the sources&#8221; and build a new one. As long as the community is run by &#8220;DL the sources&#8221; insiders, Linux isn&#8217;t happening on the desktop.</p>
<p>The technology is there. The attitude is not.</p>
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		<title>By: jrfrogman</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4357/#comment-4815</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am finally making the switch to Linux on an old laptop (not too old). I am Running VMware virtual machine to run XP for all my old programs. It seems to work great for me and should be a great bridge to using only linux and it should help shield me from Microsoft&#039;s incessant upgrade strategy. XP is the second full version of Windows that I have ever had to purchase myself and I hope that it is my last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am finally making the switch to Linux on an old laptop (not too old). I am Running VMware virtual machine to run XP for all my old programs. It seems to work great for me and should be a great bridge to using only linux and it should help shield me from Microsoft&#8217;s incessant upgrade strategy. XP is the second full version of Windows that I have ever had to purchase myself and I hope that it is my last.</p>
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		<title>By: normfox</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4357/#comment-4816</link>
		<dc:creator>normfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone has already mentioned it&#039;s the price of hardware that will drive people toward Linux as their desktop.  The cheapest Mac is ~600 and you need to spend at least that much to get a box that Vista won&#039;t grind to a halt.  Considering that all most people want to do is email, surf the web, play media, light weight photo manipulation, write letters, maybe a simple budget spread sheet, and printing, a $200-$300 box is plenty (and could probably still be done for less).  Once configured Linux does all of that really well.  The hang up there is in the &quot;once configured&quot;.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Here are the hurdles I see to your average computer illiterate user being happy enough with their Linux box to go brag to their friends about the great deal they got.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1) Linux is not a &quot;free version of Windows&quot; it&#039;s another OS.  No one should expect a Linux box to behave like a PC any more than they would expect a Mac to behave like a PC (thank God!).  If you are used to another OS there will be a leaning curve.  If people know this going in they will be less upset when they find it to be so. &lt;br /&gt;
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2) Multimedia support.  Yes Linux does do a great job in supporting all kinds of media.  I&#039;ve yet to run across anything I can&#039;t play (something neither windows or OS X can claim) , but I had to spend some time on the web figuring out how to get this to work.  Someone needs to figure out how to get around the legal hurdles for bundling standard media CODECs into the pre-installed commercial Linux boxes. If this has been done mea culpa. I build my own boxes and do my own installs.  I did once pay for a commercial copy of Suse thinking it would come with multimedia support and save me time.  It didn&#039;t so I&#039;m assuming the preinstalled boxes don&#039;t either.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
3) Kernel updates screw up many drivers compiled against the kernel.  On several occasions I have installed a &quot;security&quot; update to the kernel only to have it kill my X server.  Fortunately I keep a copy of Nvidia&#039;s shell script in my home dir and can rerun it from the command line.  I&#039;ve also had kernel security updates kill my LIRC controlled remote, and reak havoc with VM player&#039;s ability to see USB devices.  I&#039;m used to this and now know not to install kernel updates (or &quot;security patches&quot;) when I won&#039;t have a few hours to get things straightened out afterwards.  But I shudder to think of the vapor lock it would cause the average Joe.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
4) It is still way too dependent on the command line and hand editing *.conf files.  Now we&#039;re starting to approach the power user (hence this is at the bottom of the list), but it&#039;s one of my biggest gripes.  It seams like every time I want to start doing something out of the box (like say a home network), every solution I find starts out with &quot;open a command line and type sudo vi /some/ conf/file&quot;.  First, stop telling people to use vi.  Anyone who didn&#039;t grow up with it is just going to get frustrated with it.  Second, there should be a GUI for that.  Also each distro should bundle all of those GUIs into a single administration application.  Suse does a reasonable job with YaST, but then there&#039;s still the KDE admin console (both of which I use for SAMBA along with a third  independent app smb4k and I sill find my self occasionally hand editing smb.conf and fstab to get things set up and mounted.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I don&#039;t see any of this as insurmountable, but I&#039;m not sure if it will happen in time to make 2008 &quot;The year of the Linux desktop&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Krishna Srikanth&lt;br /&gt;
   The different Linux distros (at least the main ones) all offer different looks and feels but roughly the same functionality in terms of available applications. Find one you like and stick with it a while I&#039;d recommend openSuse or Ubuntu.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Your software installation problems sound like dependency issues.  You generally shouldn&#039;t be grabbing and installing individual packages.  You should use a package manager pointed toward full repositories of RPMs to get your software.  The manager will see the other required packages and fetch them from the repository.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone has already mentioned it&#8217;s the price of hardware that will drive people toward Linux as their desktop.  The cheapest Mac is ~600 and you need to spend at least that much to get a box that Vista won&#8217;t grind to a halt.  Considering that all most people want to do is email, surf the web, play media, light weight photo manipulation, write letters, maybe a simple budget spread sheet, and printing, a $200-$300 box is plenty (and could probably still be done for less).  Once configured Linux does all of that really well.  The hang up there is in the &#8220;once configured&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Here are the hurdles I see to your average computer illiterate user being happy enough with their Linux box to go brag to their friends about the great deal they got.</p>
<p>1) Linux is not a &#8220;free version of Windows&#8221; it&#8217;s another OS.  No one should expect a Linux box to behave like a PC any more than they would expect a Mac to behave like a PC (thank God!).  If you are used to another OS there will be a leaning curve.  If people know this going in they will be less upset when they find it to be so. </p>
<p>2) Multimedia support.  Yes Linux does do a great job in supporting all kinds of media.  I&#8217;ve yet to run across anything I can&#8217;t play (something neither windows or OS X can claim) , but I had to spend some time on the web figuring out how to get this to work.  Someone needs to figure out how to get around the legal hurdles for bundling standard media CODECs into the pre-installed commercial Linux boxes. If this has been done mea culpa. I build my own boxes and do my own installs.  I did once pay for a commercial copy of Suse thinking it would come with multimedia support and save me time.  It didn&#8217;t so I&#8217;m assuming the preinstalled boxes don&#8217;t either.</p>
<p>
3) Kernel updates screw up many drivers compiled against the kernel.  On several occasions I have installed a &#8220;security&#8221; update to the kernel only to have it kill my X server.  Fortunately I keep a copy of Nvidia&#8217;s shell script in my home dir and can rerun it from the command line.  I&#8217;ve also had kernel security updates kill my LIRC controlled remote, and reak havoc with VM player&#8217;s ability to see USB devices.  I&#8217;m used to this and now know not to install kernel updates (or &#8220;security patches&#8221;) when I won&#8217;t have a few hours to get things straightened out afterwards.  But I shudder to think of the vapor lock it would cause the average Joe.</p>
<p>4) It is still way too dependent on the command line and hand editing *.conf files.  Now we&#8217;re starting to approach the power user (hence this is at the bottom of the list), but it&#8217;s one of my biggest gripes.  It seams like every time I want to start doing something out of the box (like say a home network), every solution I find starts out with &#8220;open a command line and type sudo vi /some/ conf/file&#8221;.  First, stop telling people to use vi.  Anyone who didn&#8217;t grow up with it is just going to get frustrated with it.  Second, there should be a GUI for that.  Also each distro should bundle all of those GUIs into a single administration application.  Suse does a reasonable job with YaST, but then there&#8217;s still the KDE admin console (both of which I use for SAMBA along with a third  independent app smb4k and I sill find my self occasionally hand editing smb.conf and fstab to get things set up and mounted.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see any of this as insurmountable, but I&#8217;m not sure if it will happen in time to make 2008 &#8220;The year of the Linux desktop&#8221;</p>
<p>Krishna Srikanth<br />
   The different Linux distros (at least the main ones) all offer different looks and feels but roughly the same functionality in terms of available applications. Find one you like and stick with it a while I&#8217;d recommend openSuse or Ubuntu.</p>
<p>Your software installation problems sound like dependency issues.  You generally shouldn&#8217;t be grabbing and installing individual packages.  You should use a package manager pointed toward full repositories of RPMs to get your software.  The manager will see the other required packages and fetch them from the repository.</p>
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