Comments on: VMware Server Episode 2.0: The Revenge of the Web UI http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/ Open Source, Open Standards Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:47:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: digihorse http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4829 digihorse Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4829 Yup. I saw your posts on the VMware forums. It seems, with this release of Server2 Beta, that they make clear where their concerns are, and its not with linux and linux desktop users. The only windows running are in virtuals. The Windows thick client does nothing. I do hope they rethink this. If they don't then I'm done with them. Time to support the companies that support me. Yup. I saw your posts on the VMware forums. It seems, with this release of Server2 Beta, that they make clear where their concerns are, and its not with linux and linux desktop users. The only windows running are in virtuals. The Windows thick client does nothing. I do hope they rethink this. If they don’t then I’m done with them. Time to support the companies that support me.

]]> By: alizard http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4830 alizard Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4830 Who else in the virtualization scene supports a clipboard allowing copy/paste between guest and host sessions? <br /> <br /> For me as a desktop user, if it doesn't support clipboard, there isn't a whole lot of advantage in going to virtualization over running dual boot. I use Linux / VMware Server / Windows guest to support my business, not simply as a geek toy. <br /> <br /> It also appears VMware Inc./EMC have managed to collectively forget how they got to 80%. <br /> <br /> Other than that, I agree with digihorse's comment. If VMware won't support us, there's no reason to support them. Who else in the virtualization scene supports a clipboard allowing copy/paste between guest and host sessions?

For me as a desktop user, if it doesn’t support clipboard, there isn’t a whole lot of advantage in going to virtualization over running dual boot. I use Linux / VMware Server / Windows guest to support my business, not simply as a geek toy.

It also appears VMware Inc./EMC have managed to collectively forget how they got to 80%.

Other than that, I agree with digihorse’s comment. If VMware won’t support us, there’s no reason to support them.

]]> By: verinux http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4831 verinux Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4831 Yeap, I couldn't more agree with you guys.<br /> I am thinking to migrate all my virtual data center to others.<br /> <br /> why bother to support vmware, if they dont want us anyway... Yeap, I couldn’t more agree with you guys.
I am thinking to migrate all my virtual data center to others.

why bother to support vmware, if they dont want us anyway…

]]> By: jasonperlow http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4832 jasonperlow Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4832 alizard:<br /> <br /> As far as cut and paste clipboard, it can be done independent of the console -- at least as it pertains to windows guests -- if you are willing to run the UltraVNC client on a Windows box or in a Windows virtual machine. UltraVNC has extensions that allow cut and paste as well as direct file transfer between UltraVNC Server and UltraVNC client.<br /> <br /> http://www.uvnc.com/<br /> <br /> It has a LOT more features than your regular Windows VNC client/server stack. Yes, it's free. alizard:

As far as cut and paste clipboard, it can be done independent of the console — at least as it pertains to windows guests — if you are willing to run the UltraVNC client on a Windows box or in a Windows virtual machine. UltraVNC has extensions that allow cut and paste as well as direct file transfer between UltraVNC Server and UltraVNC client.

http://www.uvnc.com/

It has a LOT more features than your regular Windows VNC client/server stack. Yes, it’s free.

]]> By: pravatpc http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4833 pravatpc Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4833 Hummm,<br /> Now here it from an Admin's point of view...<br /> <br /> What most individuals (desktop dudes) / organizations (mid size) doing today is to use virtual*n on VMware server platform with out bothering about buying ESX/W6.0 with heavy bucks... resulting losses to VMware Inc. So, from VMware Inc's point of view, they had enough with this GSX funda, now drop one by one major features and make people to go for ESX... and force desktop users to go for Workstation 6.0 Hummm,
Now here it from an Admin’s point of view…

What most individuals (desktop dudes) / organizations (mid size) doing today is to use virtual*n on VMware server platform with out bothering about buying ESX/W6.0 with heavy bucks… resulting losses to VMware Inc. So, from VMware Inc’s point of view, they had enough with this GSX funda, now drop one by one major features and make people to go for ESX… and force desktop users to go for Workstation 6.0

]]> By: tj62 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4834 tj62 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4834 VirtualBox supports clipboard copy/paste between guest and host. VirtualBox supports clipboard copy/paste between guest and host.

]]> By: klema13 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4835 klema13 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4835 old customer is gone to ...<br /> sorry <br /> <br /> From: WebForm@vmware.com<br /> To: ***@****<br /> Subject: VMware License Key<br /> Date: ** Jul 1999 **********<br /> <br /> The VMware Team<br /> # VMware software license<br /> Fields = "Cpt, Name, Email, LicenseType, LicenseClass, Count, LicenseKey, ProductID, ProductType"<br /> Cpt = "COPYRIGHT (c) VMware, Inc. 1999"<br /> Name = "***********"<br /> Email = "***********"<br /> LicenseType = "User"<br /> LicenseClass = "Non-Commercial"<br /> Count = "1 of 1"<br /> LicenseKey = "*"<br /> ProductID = "VMware for Linux"<br /> ProductType = "1.0" old customer is gone to …
sorry

From: WebForm@vmware.com
To: ***@****
Subject: VMware License Key
Date: ** Jul 1999 **********

The VMware Team
# VMware software license
Fields = “Cpt, Name, Email, LicenseType, LicenseClass, Count, LicenseKey, ProductID, ProductType”
Cpt = “COPYRIGHT (c) VMware, Inc. 1999″
Name = “***********”
Email = “***********”
LicenseType = “User”
LicenseClass = “Non-Commercial”
Count = “1 of 1″
LicenseKey = “*”
ProductID = “VMware for Linux”
ProductType = “1.0″

]]> By: sargenthp http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4836 sargenthp Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4836 Windows-based Virtual Infrastructure client is what crashes all the time. Why can't they write something that will work from Linux? All our VMWare servers have been up for an average of 300 days! Can't say the same the VMVC server. Now that HP is supporting Xen we are looking in to that path!<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.ronpaul2008.com" rel="nofollow">Go Ron Paul!!!</a> Windows-based Virtual Infrastructure client is what crashes all the time. Why can’t they write something that will work from Linux? All our VMWare servers have been up for an average of 300 days! Can’t say the same the VMVC server. Now that HP is supporting Xen we are looking in to that path!

Go Ron Paul!!!

]]> By: semenhyia http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4837 semenhyia Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4837 have they forgotten that windows crashes for some of the most unbeleiveable reasons. well let them not say they were not warned ... have they forgotten that windows crashes for some of the most unbeleiveable reasons. well let them not say they were not warned …

]]> By: pacsguy http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4838 pacsguy Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4838 Just playing devil's advocate here, but how many of you who are "withdrawing your support" for vmware are actually supporting them? (as in, paying for licenses or support, or contributing code?)<br /> <br /> My guess is, not many. One of the posters above even admits to using vmware server for business.. WTF is up with that? It's people like that you all should be mad at.<br /> <br /> My company bought vmware workstation licenses (we use vms for validation testing of our software product and cross os development), but ended up switching to the free offering (vmware server) for reasons that I can't remember now. Bottom line though is that if I need cut and paste bewteen OS, I'll license the product. The price for a dozen workstation licenses is a hell of a lot better than the price of a dozen servers at 10k a pop.<br /> <br /> Just my .02 Just playing devil’s advocate here, but how many of you who are “withdrawing your support” for vmware are actually supporting them? (as in, paying for licenses or support, or contributing code?)

My guess is, not many. One of the posters above even admits to using vmware server for business.. WTF is up with that? It’s people like that you all should be mad at.

My company bought vmware workstation licenses (we use vms for validation testing of our software product and cross os development), but ended up switching to the free offering (vmware server) for reasons that I can’t remember now. Bottom line though is that if I need cut and paste bewteen OS, I’ll license the product. The price for a dozen workstation licenses is a hell of a lot better than the price of a dozen servers at 10k a pop.

Just my .02

]]> By: jasonperlow http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4839 jasonperlow Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4839 Pacs:<br /> <br /> Some of us end users who do not purchase VMWare products for our own personal uses are influencers or direct decision makers in environments that -do- spend money on things like ESX and Virtualcenter. So IT consultants and developers who need to prototype, become VCPs, solution providers, etc, who create these things for customers that do need the free server solution and they need one that works. Just because these individuals arent putting dents in their own Mastercards doesn't mean that VMWare isn't making money from us down the road. And they knew that when they offered a free solution to begin with. Its called viral marketing. But when you mess with a forumla that worked for a lot of people, your userbase -- the same one that reccomends and implements the expensive version of the enterprise product for VMware's customers, you create an untenable situation and it forces people to go elsewhere for solutions. Pacs:

Some of us end users who do not purchase VMWare products for our own personal uses are influencers or direct decision makers in environments that -do- spend money on things like ESX and Virtualcenter. So IT consultants and developers who need to prototype, become VCPs, solution providers, etc, who create these things for customers that do need the free server solution and they need one that works. Just because these individuals arent putting dents in their own Mastercards doesn’t mean that VMWare isn’t making money from us down the road. And they knew that when they offered a free solution to begin with. Its called viral marketing. But when you mess with a forumla that worked for a lot of people, your userbase — the same one that reccomends and implements the expensive version of the enterprise product for VMware’s customers, you create an untenable situation and it forces people to go elsewhere for solutions.

]]> By: deekattax http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4840 deekattax Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4840 Any comments/reviews on Xen? I may be interested in both a VM server solution (small-size corp) for both Linux and Windows but not really interested in VMWare at the time. Any comments/reviews on Xen? I may be interested in both a VM server solution (small-size corp) for both Linux and Windows but not really interested in VMWare at the time.

]]> By: jasonperlow http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4841 jasonperlow Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4841 Take a look at XenServer. Its a very nice solution, owned by Citrix. They have a free version you can download that is limited to running 4 VMs simultaneously (that can be upgraded to the unlimited full version with a license code) and has a very nice management front end, although it is Windows-based. The server is a single CD that you install on fresh hardware, eats up almost no resources, automagically creates the hypervisor platform and is ready to go in a matter of minutes. It is based on Debian using the Xen hypervisor.<br /> <br /> Another solution that might have a lot of potential is Qumranet (http://www.qumranet.com) the company that officially sponsors the KVM project. However I havent actually played with the product yet. What I have heard and seen from the demos though seems to be really good, though. Take a look at XenServer. Its a very nice solution, owned by Citrix. They have a free version you can download that is limited to running 4 VMs simultaneously (that can be upgraded to the unlimited full version with a license code) and has a very nice management front end, although it is Windows-based. The server is a single CD that you install on fresh hardware, eats up almost no resources, automagically creates the hypervisor platform and is ready to go in a matter of minutes. It is based on Debian using the Xen hypervisor.

Another solution that might have a lot of potential is Qumranet (http://www.qumranet.com) the company that officially sponsors the KVM project. However I havent actually played with the product yet. What I have heard and seen from the demos though seems to be really good, though.

]]> By: rzoch http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4842 rzoch Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4403/#comment-4842 "I would come out with" and "I might write" are the reasons why VMware has such a huge market share. ESX and VCS are incredibly easy to use and reliable -- they're proven products. If Xen, KVM, et al can catch up to VMware's flexibility, support, and management tools, then "I will." “I would come out with” and “I might write” are the reasons why VMware has such a huge market share. ESX and VCS are incredibly easy to use and reliable — they’re proven products. If Xen, KVM, et al can catch up to VMware’s flexibility, support, and management tools, then “I will.”

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