Comments on: Sweeten Your Vim with Cream http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/ Open Source, Open Standards Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:31:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: chriswong http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5381 chriswong Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5381 FYI, Ctrl+H is Replace in Windows Notepad... FYI, Ctrl+H is Replace in Windows Notepad…

]]> By: hhemken http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5382 hhemken Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5382 You're kidding, right? <br /> <br /> If you like vim or emacs, then use them. They are notoriously powerful. If you like "conventional" GUI-based text editors, don't waste your time with adaptations to vim or emacs. Use a starightforward, powerful, cross-platform, open-source editor like jedit (http://jedit.org/).<br /> <br /> If you are the type of person that shuns vim or emacs, you are the type of person that will like jedit. You’re kidding, right?

If you like vim or emacs, then use them. They are notoriously powerful. If you like “conventional” GUI-based text editors, don’t waste your time with adaptations to vim or emacs. Use a starightforward, powerful, cross-platform, open-source editor like jedit (http://jedit.org/).

If you are the type of person that shuns vim or emacs, you are the type of person that will like jedit.

]]> By: wpkzz666 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5383 wpkzz666 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5383 I agree with hhemken. Let us note that vim:"emacs-mode" and emacs:"vim-mode", altough they do exists, are jokes (big jokes by the way). But I find the idea of a vim:"windows-notepad-mode" really bad. But as a an experiment on this, or as an alternative to jedit, it may have some followers. But I hope it doesn't get taken too seriously. <br /> <br /> By the way, and to not to loose the humour here:<br /> ¡Larga vida a emacs! I agree with hhemken. Let us note that vim:”emacs-mode” and emacs:”vim-mode”, altough they do exists, are jokes (big jokes by the way). But I find the idea of a vim:”windows-notepad-mode” really bad. But as a an experiment on this, or as an alternative to jedit, it may have some followers. But I hope it doesn’t get taken too seriously.

By the way, and to not to loose the humour here:
¡Larga vida a emacs!

]]> By: spremolla http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5384 spremolla Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5384 There is no thing I hate more than trying to edit something on a GUI editor and see my text full of "i" and "a" from my muscle memory as the author sad.<br /> The main reason for using vi is the command mode, that can do some heavy magic on trained fingers. If that is not what you are after, the stick to kate or notepad.<br /> <br /> I can't let that las statement go by: VI FOR EVER !!!! ;-)<br /> <br /> And don't forget : Real programers code on hexa !!!!<br /> <br /> LALO There is no thing I hate more than trying to edit something on a GUI editor and see my text full of “i” and “a” from my muscle memory as the author sad.
The main reason for using vi is the command mode, that can do some heavy magic on trained fingers. If that is not what you are after, the stick to kate or notepad.

I can’t let that las statement go by: VI FOR EVER !!!! ;-)

And don’t forget : Real programers code on hexa !!!!

LALO

]]> By: bryanjrichard http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5385 bryanjrichard Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5385 <em>And don’t forget : Real programers code on hexa !!!!</em><br /> <br /> Clearly, you need an <a href="http://xkcd.com/378/" rel="nofollow">xkcd refresher</a>. ;-) And don’t forget : Real programers code on hexa !!!!

Clearly, you need an xkcd refresher. ;-)

]]> By: sotirchenas http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5386 sotirchenas Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5386 that is all fine, making the shortcuts uniform.<br /> <br /> but what is the real reason that sysadmins learn vi? it exists in just about any *nix system. what is the point if one has to install cream on every solaris, AIX, linux box one can log in to, just to avoid remembering the yank command? that is all fine, making the shortcuts uniform.

but what is the real reason that sysadmins learn vi? it exists in just about any *nix system. what is the point if one has to install cream on every solaris, AIX, linux box one can log in to, just to avoid remembering the yank command?

]]> By: tonl http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5387 tonl Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5387 nedit at http://www.nedit.org/ is yet another GUI editor. Personally I wouldn't use a frontend to vim or emacs. nedit at http://www.nedit.org/ is yet another GUI editor. Personally I wouldn’t use a frontend to vim or emacs.

]]> By: maurosanchezd http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5388 maurosanchezd Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5388 I use a Windows desktop to manage my servers and I like edit my simple scripts with Notepad++ using a local drive mounted with Webdrive. I use a Windows desktop to manage my servers and I like edit my simple scripts with Notepad++ using a local drive mounted with Webdrive.

]]> By: richzendy http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5389 richzendy Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5389 Vim it's ok for me, exactly like this Vim it’s ok for me, exactly like this

]]> By: troglodyte http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5390 troglodyte Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5390 Does Microsoft Word and Notepad come with a Vim addon ;-)<br /> <br /> I don't see why anyone would use Vim with the cream addon. why not use pico instead. Or nano ? Does Microsoft Word and Notepad come with a Vim addon ;-)

I don’t see why anyone would use Vim with the cream addon. why not use pico instead. Or nano ?

]]> By: markdean http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5391 markdean Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5391 OK, what sysadmin has X Windows running on their servers? If they are using Linux as their desktop, and we all are (with the exception of maurosanchezd), right? So I can see perhaps an occasional lapse in judgement in actually using the GUI, but seriously, when you need to edit a .conf file, don't you do as I do, open a bash terminal and run your favorite console editor? I'm mean the thought never occurs to me to open a text file with the GUI editor or even navigate for files and directories with konqueror or nautilus...I must be a throw-back...hell, I still use mutt!:-)<br /> <br /> But in all seriousness, and to add to sotirchenas' comment, the real, real, reason why all *nix sysadmins *must* learn and stay at least current with the basics of vi, is that at some point, you'll have to boot into a very minimal single user mode and you may only have vi. I've had that happen on several *nix systems over the years-and not every Unix has a nice full featured Knoppix CD to boot to...<br /> <br /> And maurosanchezd:<br /> I didn't see a smiley face, so do you actually use a Windows desktop on purpose? To manage what, Windows? If so, I feel sorry for you... OK, what sysadmin has X Windows running on their servers? If they are using Linux as their desktop, and we all are (with the exception of maurosanchezd), right? So I can see perhaps an occasional lapse in judgement in actually using the GUI, but seriously, when you need to edit a .conf file, don’t you do as I do, open a bash terminal and run your favorite console editor? I’m mean the thought never occurs to me to open a text file with the GUI editor or even navigate for files and directories with konqueror or nautilus…I must be a throw-back…hell, I still use mutt!:-)

But in all seriousness, and to add to sotirchenas’ comment, the real, real, reason why all *nix sysadmins *must* learn and stay at least current with the basics of vi, is that at some point, you’ll have to boot into a very minimal single user mode and you may only have vi. I’ve had that happen on several *nix systems over the years-and not every Unix has a nice full featured Knoppix CD to boot to…

And maurosanchezd:
I didn’t see a smiley face, so do you actually use a Windows desktop on purpose? To manage what, Windows? If so, I feel sorry for you…

]]> By: kandagatla http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5392 kandagatla Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5392 I found Cream to be very un-user friendly to me.. Because I am a hardcore-vim user..<br /> I felt like It's just like notepad with possible options in regular vim.<br /> <br /> rgrds<br /> kandagatla I found Cream to be very un-user friendly to me.. Because I am a hardcore-vim user..
I felt like It’s just like notepad with possible options in regular vim.

rgrds
kandagatla

]]> By: bilash.apece http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5393 bilash.apece Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5393 i am agree with hhemken i am agree with hhemken

]]> By: duncan http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5394 duncan Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5394 where is all this stuff coming from? Too many windowz people are migrating to Linux. where is all this stuff coming from? Too many windowz people are migrating to Linux.

]]> By: blacklight01 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5395 blacklight01 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/6045/#comment-5395 <p>Modes!! Holy crap I need modes!! Don\'t call it Vim if it doesn\'t distinguish command, insert, visual, visual line, visual block and select modes, if it is point-and-click oriented and if it has the same keybindings of Notepad! Call it Windows Notepad with an alternative GUI!</p> <p>I don\'t think any true Vim user will ever consider the idea of using this stuff. And I don\'t even think any non-Vim user will use it, if not to feel cool and get his friends surprised when looking at a Vim GUI on his screen. The common user will keep on using gedit, kedit, Notepad++, or the editor he\'s been using for ages, since he has no reason to change. The power use will keep on using his heavily customized Vim with its powerful modes and years of learning and experience. So, what\'s the use of this stuff? </p> Modes!! Holy crap I need modes!! Don\’t call it Vim if it doesn\’t distinguish command, insert, visual, visual line, visual block and select modes, if it is point-and-click oriented and if it has the same keybindings of Notepad! Call it Windows Notepad with an alternative GUI!

I don\’t think any true Vim user will ever consider the idea of using this stuff. And I don\’t even think any non-Vim user will use it, if not to feel cool and get his friends surprised when looking at a Vim GUI on his screen. The common user will keep on using gedit, kedit, Notepad++, or the editor he\’s been using for ages, since he has no reason to change. The power use will keep on using his heavily customized Vim with its powerful modes and years of learning and experience. So, what\’s the use of this stuff?

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