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	<title>Comments on: Sinning with Windows: There&#8217;s no Bagels at the end of this Fast</title>
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		<title>by: cwtryon</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7155/#comment-2040</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think this is a good point.  The reality is that we end up doing a lot of "tech support" for our friends on Windows.  I'd love to convert them to Linux, but it's rarely easy to motivate them to change.  This might add a little incentive.  (Oh, and some people really do offer to pay me rather than assuming I will work for free, so charging friends for IT services really isn't out of line.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a good point.  The reality is that we end up doing a lot of &#8220;tech support&#8221; for our friends on Windows.  I&#8217;d love to convert them to Linux, but it&#8217;s rarely easy to motivate them to change.  This might add a little incentive.  (Oh, and some people really do offer to pay me rather than assuming I will work for free, so charging friends for IT services really isn&#8217;t out of line.)
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		<title>by: joepenfield</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7155/#comment-1966</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi I've had dozens of people bring me windows boxes with corrupted hard drives and years of family photos and music collections that they can't access. I simply take out the windows hd and install it as a slave in my linux box running PCLinuxOS and TaDa!!   Customers get their pics and movies saved. And I look like an experienced computer Guru. Love the Linux!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi I&#8217;ve had dozens of people bring me windows boxes with corrupted hard drives and years of family photos and music collections that they can&#8217;t access. I simply take out the windows hd and install it as a slave in my linux box running PCLinuxOS and TaDa!!   Customers get their pics and movies saved. And I look like an experienced computer Guru. Love the Linux!
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		<title>by: Ara Ara</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7155/#comment-1892</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Pride.
As long as I have the choice, I will choose to do the work in an environment where I can take the decision on what technology to use where.  And often it will be OSS.  Even if I can make more money on a "MS-only" job, I wouldn't do it.  Because my choice can not be bought.  I wouldn't feel comfortable at choosing or using software "because someone at the top says so".  What kind of business are you working for then?  How to explain to the users?  How can you get satisfaction of your job?  

OK, it means that I work in a smaller company.  It means no expensive supplier parties or presents.  But I know that all the (extra learning) time I spend (even at home) is spend well.  It is not lost when a supplier dumps its product.  It is not lost when company x buys company y and dumps your software z.

I know there's no guarantee that my employer survives economic troubles, but if not I will try to find a rich and free environment again, rather than drown in monoculture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pride.<br />
As long as I have the choice, I will choose to do the work in an environment where I can take the decision on what technology to use where.  And often it will be OSS.  Even if I can make more money on a &#8220;MS-only&#8221; job, I wouldn&#8217;t do it.  Because my choice can not be bought.  I wouldn&#8217;t feel comfortable at choosing or using software &#8220;because someone at the top says so&#8221;.  What kind of business are you working for then?  How to explain to the users?  How can you get satisfaction of your job?  </p>
<p>OK, it means that I work in a smaller company.  It means no expensive supplier parties or presents.  But I know that all the (extra learning) time I spend (even at home) is spend well.  It is not lost when a supplier dumps its product.  It is not lost when company x buys company y and dumps your software z.</p>
<p>I know there&#8217;s no guarantee that my employer survives economic troubles, but if not I will try to find a rich and free environment again, rather than drown in monoculture.
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		<title>by: sysadmn</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7155/#comment-1668</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Project!  I think lining the developers up against the wall is too good for them.

Instead, make them &lt;em&gt;use&lt;/em&gt; Project to plan and schedule Project's software development.  Then we'll never hear from Project or the developers again...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Project!  I think lining the developers up against the wall is too good for them.</p>
<p>Instead, make them <em>use</em> Project to plan and schedule Project&#8217;s software development.  Then we&#8217;ll never hear from Project or the developers again&#8230;
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		<title>by: enorbet2</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7155/#comment-1631</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7155/#comment-1631</guid>
					<description>Hello
  While it is always good practice to hold high principles and keep to them especially if the increase in pay buys you more misery than the increase is worth, still it is possible to not only maintain one's principles while "working for satan", it's possible to serve them even better.  

If we look at trends it becomes obvious that the principles in "Cathedral and Bazaar" still hold true as evidenced by how little by little OSS apps slowly take over.  Aside from the oldies like Apache, PHP, MySQL and a sprinkling of others that have been around for 10 years or more it can be seen that the growth of domination or at least stiff competition of many open source projects with perhaps one of the more obvious examples being Firefox, these principles are at work and irresistable. 

 As computing becomes more and more ubiquitous the need for not only cross platform but platform independancy grows with it since the average user just "wants it to work" and cares not for nuts and bolts.  At some point the OpSys must become a non issue.  Because it is now possible to find OSS apps that run on windows and because the cost is at the very least less than proprietary apps, while one may not succeed every time at supplanting proprietary software, one can succeed often enough to begin to nudge the house toward open source, instead of "preaching to the converted" thus defeating the "enemy" from the inside.  Ultimately this seems best for the advancement of the role of computers in the future and it is that subtle but relentless riptide that must win out. So aligning oneself with the prevailing winds right where the barricades are highest can be subversion rather than selling out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello<br />
  While it is always good practice to hold high principles and keep to them especially if the increase in pay buys you more misery than the increase is worth, still it is possible to not only maintain one&#8217;s principles while &#8220;working for satan&#8221;, it&#8217;s possible to serve them even better.  </p>
<p>If we look at trends it becomes obvious that the principles in &#8220;Cathedral and Bazaar&#8221; still hold true as evidenced by how little by little OSS apps slowly take over.  Aside from the oldies like Apache, PHP, MySQL and a sprinkling of others that have been around for 10 years or more it can be seen that the growth of domination or at least stiff competition of many open source projects with perhaps one of the more obvious examples being Firefox, these principles are at work and irresistable. </p>
<p> As computing becomes more and more ubiquitous the need for not only cross platform but platform independancy grows with it since the average user just &#8220;wants it to work&#8221; and cares not for nuts and bolts.  At some point the OpSys must become a non issue.  Because it is now possible to find OSS apps that run on windows and because the cost is at the very least less than proprietary apps, while one may not succeed every time at supplanting proprietary software, one can succeed often enough to begin to nudge the house toward open source, instead of &#8220;preaching to the converted&#8221; thus defeating the &#8220;enemy&#8221; from the inside.  Ultimately this seems best for the advancement of the role of computers in the future and it is that subtle but relentless riptide that must win out. So aligning oneself with the prevailing winds right where the barricades are highest can be subversion rather than selling out.
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		<title>by: Jeff Silverman</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7155/#comment-1607</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi. I am very lucky, in that I have been able to work with computers on my own terms for the last 8-9 years, using any desktop OS I want. But I also have very consciously stayed away from positions that would hem me in. Maybe it is because I work in a tech-savvy part of the country (Baltimore-Washington corridor, MD, USA)?

I've even gone as far as including the line "would prefer an environment hospitable to Open Source" in my Objectives section of my resume. And it has worked well! I have interviewed with several positions that not only *let* me use Ubuntu but use it themselves as their dev platform, and gotten offers from two different companies that service and support Open Source products.

I currently work for a company that does not use Windows for anything, really. (Except the CEO and CFO's desktops :) ) We use Solaris as our server platform and Linux for development. Oh, and some Mac OS X in there.

My point? My point is that it is very possible to develop a tech career using tools that you love and want to promote. And that Windows really, really, REALLY is not the only game in town.

Now, I really don't mind Windows, overall. I also don't mind that MS is a huge company and needs to make money and grow and all that. I do mind the anti-Linux FUD that is all over the place.

ah, well, gotta stop commenting for now, but that's my story. Seeya</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. I am very lucky, in that I have been able to work with computers on my own terms for the last 8-9 years, using any desktop OS I want. But I also have very consciously stayed away from positions that would hem me in. Maybe it is because I work in a tech-savvy part of the country (Baltimore-Washington corridor, MD, USA)?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve even gone as far as including the line &#8220;would prefer an environment hospitable to Open Source&#8221; in my Objectives section of my resume. And it has worked well! I have interviewed with several positions that not only *let* me use Ubuntu but use it themselves as their dev platform, and gotten offers from two different companies that service and support Open Source products.</p>
<p>I currently work for a company that does not use Windows for anything, really. (Except the CEO and CFO&#8217;s desktops :) ) We use Solaris as our server platform and Linux for development. Oh, and some Mac OS X in there.</p>
<p>My point? My point is that it is very possible to develop a tech career using tools that you love and want to promote. And that Windows really, really, REALLY is not the only game in town.</p>
<p>Now, I really don&#8217;t mind Windows, overall. I also don&#8217;t mind that MS is a huge company and needs to make money and grow and all that. I do mind the anti-Linux FUD that is all over the place.</p>
<p>ah, well, gotta stop commenting for now, but that&#8217;s my story. Seeya
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		<title>by: kmarsh</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7155/#comment-1600</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7155/#comment-1600</guid>
					<description>work4love,

You don't have to write a video driver. It is already done.
Check out http://intellinuxgraphics.org/documentation.html

It's no surprise a 3.5 year old SERVER O/S doesn't support a new LAPTOP video chip. It was made for 4 year old server H/W. Try installing original Windows Server 2003 media on a modern laptop and getting accelerated graphics. You might have better luck with downloading the latest update 7 of RHES4 ISO from RHN instead of 4-update-nothing media you get from vendors. Anyway, RHES4 runs on fine new Intel video, just in plain VESA mode. If you need 3D on new h/w, you need a newer O/S, or backport a driver.

If you want to honestly compare against the "Windows for Desktop" environments on a new laptop, try a good, modern Desktop Linux distro, not an old Server distro.

-KM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>work4love,</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to write a video driver. It is already done.<br />
Check out <a href="http://intellinuxgraphics.org/documentation.html" rel="nofollow">http://intellinuxgraphics.org/documentation.html</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s no surprise a 3.5 year old SERVER O/S doesn&#8217;t support a new LAPTOP video chip. It was made for 4 year old server H/W. Try installing original Windows Server 2003 media on a modern laptop and getting accelerated graphics. You might have better luck with downloading the latest update 7 of RHES4 ISO from RHN instead of 4-update-nothing media you get from vendors. Anyway, RHES4 runs on fine new Intel video, just in plain VESA mode. If you need 3D on new h/w, you need a newer O/S, or backport a driver.</p>
<p>If you want to honestly compare against the &#8220;Windows for Desktop&#8221; environments on a new laptop, try a good, modern Desktop Linux distro, not an old Server distro.</p>
<p>-KM
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		<title>by: work love</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7155/#comment-1596</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have done a lot of application developments in UNIX, Windows, and now Linux. I find Linux is not as it advertise to be. It work great if you don't need to make change to the system. As soon as you need to...not a good thing.

For example, I have a COT product required Red Hat ES4 (RHES4 out of the box) runs on GoBook VR2 laptop. The laptop has a new Intel GM965 video chip set and RHES4 doesn't have it. Intel don't have driver for Linux either but for Windows (why is that?). Contact Red Hat support, Intel support, and open-source support.....they all said, you're on your own. 

I have to spend so much time to configure the Linux, write video driver, update the kernel, X server, etc...instead of spend time to do the real work, writing application. 

Like you said, because of food I will do the work...other then that, Linux still years away from competing with Windows for Desktop environment or application development capabilities and software compatibility.

I use to be a UNIX hacker ...but my time has passed... I just want to complete the work as fast as I can, go home, enjoy life and food. Linux hinder me from doing what I want to do.

Good artical!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have done a lot of application developments in UNIX, Windows, and now Linux. I find Linux is not as it advertise to be. It work great if you don&#8217;t need to make change to the system. As soon as you need to&#8230;not a good thing.</p>
<p>For example, I have a COT product required Red Hat ES4 (RHES4 out of the box) runs on GoBook VR2 laptop. The laptop has a new Intel GM965 video chip set and RHES4 doesn&#8217;t have it. Intel don&#8217;t have driver for Linux either but for Windows (why is that?). Contact Red Hat support, Intel support, and open-source support&#8230;..they all said, you&#8217;re on your own. </p>
<p>I have to spend so much time to configure the Linux, write video driver, update the kernel, X server, etc&#8230;instead of spend time to do the real work, writing application. </p>
<p>Like you said, because of food I will do the work&#8230;other then that, Linux still years away from competing with Windows for Desktop environment or application development capabilities and software compatibility.</p>
<p>I use to be a UNIX hacker &#8230;but my time has passed&#8230; I just want to complete the work as fast as I can, go home, enjoy life and food. Linux hinder me from doing what I want to do.</p>
<p>Good artical!!!!
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		<title>by: Andrew Pagin</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7155/#comment-1593</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well lets face it most of us are stuck in a Windows orientated environment, seems to me most of the strategic decisions are heavily influenced by what the non-IT bean counters use at home, ie. Microsoft. Doesn't mean we can't make little in-roads into the psychie though. 

Example, we recently had that wonderful combination of an unreadable DVD from a client full of critical spreadheets &#38; an account exec with a deadline to meet. The dvd did the rounds of the IT dept. with none of the Windows boxes able to read it. Lastly it comes to me (why me last? 'cos I'm wierd &#38; use stuff that Bill Gates doesn't control), I slap it in my Linux box &#38; wow! it instantly reads it.

'How come your pc can read it?'

'Duh! It's Linux, it WORKS PROPERLY!'

Ok, it was probably pure luck, but so what? Little victories like that raise the profile &#38; make people realise that MS isn't the only solution in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well lets face it most of us are stuck in a Windows orientated environment, seems to me most of the strategic decisions are heavily influenced by what the non-IT bean counters use at home, ie. Microsoft. Doesn&#8217;t mean we can&#8217;t make little in-roads into the psychie though. </p>
<p>Example, we recently had that wonderful combination of an unreadable DVD from a client full of critical spreadheets &amp; an account exec with a deadline to meet. The dvd did the rounds of the IT dept. with none of the Windows boxes able to read it. Lastly it comes to me (why me last? &#8216;cos I&#8217;m wierd &amp; use stuff that Bill Gates doesn&#8217;t control), I slap it in my Linux box &amp; wow! it instantly reads it.</p>
<p>&#8216;How come your pc can read it?&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8216;Duh! It&#8217;s Linux, it WORKS PROPERLY!&#8217;</p>
<p>Ok, it was probably pure luck, but so what? Little victories like that raise the profile &amp; make people realise that MS isn&#8217;t the only solution in the world.
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		<title>by: stix_satriani</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7155/#comment-1592</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Support of the open source products seemingly become the biggest problem for the management side to acknowledge the benefits of the open source itself, and It happens almost in big companies.

We don't have to work in a company who has the open source minded while we want to use the open source, we may affect the others slowly by showing them the benefits of using the open source products, thus people will realize the robustness of open source compare with proprietary products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Support of the open source products seemingly become the biggest problem for the management side to acknowledge the benefits of the open source itself, and It happens almost in big companies.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t have to work in a company who has the open source minded while we want to use the open source, we may affect the others slowly by showing them the benefits of using the open source products, thus people will realize the robustness of open source compare with proprietary products.
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