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		<title>By: Answers</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7157/#comment-981003</link>
		<dc:creator>Answers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 08:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worse is the telcos knew the phones were dangerous, but the way “regulation” works is if big business wants it, it’s “a-ok” in whatever regulatory realm. Period. There is no public safety at work in any government &lt;a href=&quot;http://eco.cueb.edu.cn/contents/page/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cueb Answers&lt;/a&gt;, it’s all illusion, and designed to eliminate the competition for big business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worse is the telcos knew the phones were dangerous, but the way “regulation” works is if big business wants it, it’s “a-ok” in whatever regulatory realm. Period. There is no public safety at work in any government <a href="http://eco.cueb.edu.cn/contents/page/" rel="nofollow">Cueb Answers</a>, it’s all illusion, and designed to eliminate the competition for big business.</p>
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		<title>By: matador</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7157/#comment-5788</link>
		<dc:creator>matador</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Almost sounds like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0343818/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;iRobot&lt;/a&gt;, where the computer decides it knows best how humans should live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost sounds like <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0343818/" rel="nofollow">iRobot</a>, where the computer decides it knows best how humans should live.</p>
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		<title>By: dmesg</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7157/#comment-5789</link>
		<dc:creator>dmesg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the &quot;manifesto&quot; when they published it in the Washington Post. Unfortunately the man took a major wrong turn with his feet. He could have been a voice for putting the brakes on and thinking before leaping.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I have always said &quot;just because we can doesn&#039;t mean we should.&quot; Before cell phone and wireless I was saying these two are in that category of &quot;shouldn&#039;t do.&quot; I&#039;m sure history will bear me out, the brain tumors are starting to proliferate.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Worse is the telcos knew the phones were dangerous, but the way &quot;regulation&quot; works is if big business wants it, it&#039;s &quot;a-ok&quot; in whatever regulatory realm. Period. There is no public safety at work in any government, it&#039;s all illusion, and designed to eliminate the competition for big business.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
BTW I tried searching for the &quot;ugly antenna&quot; story. Got a link? I couldn&#039;t find anything other than technical papers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the &#8220;manifesto&#8221; when they published it in the Washington Post. Unfortunately the man took a major wrong turn with his feet. He could have been a voice for putting the brakes on and thinking before leaping.</p>
<p>I have always said &#8220;just because we can doesn&#8217;t mean we should.&#8221; Before cell phone and wireless I was saying these two are in that category of &#8220;shouldn&#8217;t do.&#8221; I&#8217;m sure history will bear me out, the brain tumors are starting to proliferate.</p>
<p>Worse is the telcos knew the phones were dangerous, but the way &#8220;regulation&#8221; works is if big business wants it, it&#8217;s &#8220;a-ok&#8221; in whatever regulatory realm. Period. There is no public safety at work in any government, it&#8217;s all illusion, and designed to eliminate the competition for big business.</p>
<p>BTW I tried searching for the &#8220;ugly antenna&#8221; story. Got a link? I couldn&#8217;t find anything other than technical papers.</p>
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		<title>By: sddutky</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7157/#comment-5790</link>
		<dc:creator>sddutky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaczynski goes on to say:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;On the other hand it is possible that human control over the machines may be retained. In that case the average man may have control over certain private machines of his own, such as his car or his personal computer, but control over large systems of machines will be in the hands of a tiny elite - just as it is today, but with two differences. Due to improved techniques the elite will have greater control over the masses; and because human work will no longer be necessary the masses will be superfluous, a useless burden on the system. If the elite is ruthless they may simply decide to exterminate the mass of humanity. If they are humane they may use propaganda or other psychological or biological techniques to reduce the birth rate until the mass of humanity becomes extinct, leaving the world to the elite. Or, if the elite consists of soft-hearted liberals, they may decide to play the role of good shepherds to the rest of the human race. They will see to it that everyone&#039;s physical needs are satisfied, that all children are raised under psychologically hygienic conditions, that everyone has a wholesome hobby to keep him busy, and that anyone who may become dissatisfied undergoes &quot;treatment&quot; to cure his &quot;problem.&quot; Of course, life will be so purposeless that people will have to be biologically or psychologically engineered either to remove their need for the power process or make them &quot;sublimate&quot; their drive for power into some harmless hobby. These engineered human beings may be happy in such a society, but they will most certainly not be free. They will have been reduced to the status of domestic animals&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
See Bill Joy&#039;s take &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.04/joy_pr.html&quot; title=&quot;Why the future doesn&#039;t need us&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaczynski goes on to say:</p>
<p>&#8220;On the other hand it is possible that human control over the machines may be retained. In that case the average man may have control over certain private machines of his own, such as his car or his personal computer, but control over large systems of machines will be in the hands of a tiny elite &#8211; just as it is today, but with two differences. Due to improved techniques the elite will have greater control over the masses; and because human work will no longer be necessary the masses will be superfluous, a useless burden on the system. If the elite is ruthless they may simply decide to exterminate the mass of humanity. If they are humane they may use propaganda or other psychological or biological techniques to reduce the birth rate until the mass of humanity becomes extinct, leaving the world to the elite. Or, if the elite consists of soft-hearted liberals, they may decide to play the role of good shepherds to the rest of the human race. They will see to it that everyone&#8217;s physical needs are satisfied, that all children are raised under psychologically hygienic conditions, that everyone has a wholesome hobby to keep him busy, and that anyone who may become dissatisfied undergoes &#8220;treatment&#8221; to cure his &#8220;problem.&#8221; Of course, life will be so purposeless that people will have to be biologically or psychologically engineered either to remove their need for the power process or make them &#8220;sublimate&#8221; their drive for power into some harmless hobby. These engineered human beings may be happy in such a society, but they will most certainly not be free. They will have been reduced to the status of domestic animals&#8221;</p>
<p>See Bill Joy&#8217;s take <a href="http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.04/joy_pr.html" title="Why the future doesn't need us" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
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		<title>By: pbock</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7157/#comment-5791</link>
		<dc:creator>pbock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try this link for the &quot;ugly&quot; tree-like antenna.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://ti.arc.nasa.gov/projects/esg/research/antenna.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try this link for the &#8220;ugly&#8221; tree-like antenna.</p>
<p><a href="http://ti.arc.nasa.gov/projects/esg/research/antenna.htm" rel="nofollow">http://ti.arc.nasa.gov/projects/esg/research/antenna.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: driordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>driordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Are we dependent upon results or processes we do not understand?&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
 . . . and if we are, or will be, what are we supposed to do about it?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There is a theory I&#039;ve read that suggests that civilizations collapse when their complexity reaches a sort of critical mass; when the rules of the society become more of a burden than a boon.  Lets assume for a moment that this theory is accurate.  We may be in, or entering an age wherein such complexity can be handled by artificial agents.  Do we check them and succumb to the burden of societies rules, ending our civilization?  Or do we submit ourselves to them and extend the life of our civilization, perhaps until the complexity reaches a point where the machines are overburdened?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are we dependent upon results or processes we do not understand?&#8221;</p>
<p> . . . and if we are, or will be, what are we supposed to do about it?</p>
<p>There is a theory I&#8217;ve read that suggests that civilizations collapse when their complexity reaches a sort of critical mass; when the rules of the society become more of a burden than a boon.  Lets assume for a moment that this theory is accurate.  We may be in, or entering an age wherein such complexity can be handled by artificial agents.  Do we check them and succumb to the burden of societies rules, ending our civilization?  Or do we submit ourselves to them and extend the life of our civilization, perhaps until the complexity reaches a point where the machines are overburdened?</p>
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		<title>By: buggsy2</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7157/#comment-5793</link>
		<dc:creator>buggsy2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to really get philosophically wayout, read about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity&quot; title=&quot;Singularity&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;. For this subject (using the results of complex optimization algorithms) it&#039;s the old junk science issue. People with either minimal understanding of a new technology, or deliberately misusing a technology, can present incorrect or misleading answers with lots of pseudo-scientific facade. Ignorant and devious people have always been with us.  As a numerical modeler in the earth sciences I&#039;m more concerned about the brittleness or sensitivity of the optimized solutions. How much does the output change with small changes in input parameters?  Often somewhat less efficient solutions are much less brittle, a worthwhile tradeoff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to really get philosophically wayout, read about the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity" title="Singularity" rel="nofollow">. For this subject (using the results of complex optimization algorithms) it&#8217;s the old junk science issue. People with either minimal understanding of a new technology, or deliberately misusing a technology, can present incorrect or misleading answers with lots of pseudo-scientific facade. Ignorant and devious people have always been with us.  As a numerical modeler in the earth sciences I&#8217;m more concerned about the brittleness or sensitivity of the optimized solutions. How much does the output change with small changes in input parameters?  Often somewhat less efficient solutions are much less brittle, a worthwhile tradeoff.</a></p>
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