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		<title>by: James Arscott</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7181/#comment-1902</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree entirely with the idea of starting with the youngsters. The idea of Linux is sooo good, as it can run on older hardware, which is what most schools in Jamaica have ( Those that actually have computers). Where I think we need help is getting the teachers more comfortable with Linux. That way, they won't be "afraid" to work with Linux around the students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree entirely with the idea of starting with the youngsters. The idea of Linux is sooo good, as it can run on older hardware, which is what most schools in Jamaica have ( Those that actually have computers). Where I think we need help is getting the teachers more comfortable with Linux. That way, they won&#8217;t be &#8220;afraid&#8221; to work with Linux around the students.
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		<title>by: T Y</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7181/#comment-1808</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Great stuff, but I'm running MEPIS 7.0 and 8.0 beta 5. I love the distro and have no desire to switch, but they run KDE 3.5.8.

What are my options to get the latest GCompris and Child's Play?

thank you,
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff, but I&#8217;m running MEPIS 7.0 and 8.0 beta 5. I love the distro and have no desire to switch, but they run KDE 3.5.8.</p>
<p>What are my options to get the latest GCompris and Child&#8217;s Play?</p>
<p>thank you,<br />
TY
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		<title>by: Greatcedarfurniture &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Conversion Of Measurement Table</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7181/#comment-1790</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Child’s Play: Linux Conversion Through Education &#124; Linux Magazine [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Child’s Play: Linux Conversion Through Education | Linux Magazine [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: mirandasoft</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7181/#comment-1746</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Shortly after I moved to Philippines in late 2006, to get married, etc., my wife's nephew (6 years old at that time) found (Ubuntu) Linux more entertaining than M$ Windows. I had Linux installed for only a couple of months. Josh, the nephew, is a pure Filipino boy, that have never been outside the Philippines, never outside of Pasig City, where he currently resides. (He learned his English from Cartoon Network.) Josh found entertainment in the educational software that freely available for Linux. This goes to show, that in a world of pirated software, some good things just doesn't have to be pirated. Linux is a good example to show children. Help them excel in Math, and then teach them C/C++ programming. If many children is introduced to Linux at a young age, then more exciting games will be produced (in Linux). What 'wakes up' children, here in Manila, Philippines, is that when they hear they can program the computer without use of pirated software, they become curious at the free "stuff" available in Linux.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shortly after I moved to Philippines in late 2006, to get married, etc., my wife&#8217;s nephew (6 years old at that time) found (Ubuntu) Linux more entertaining than M$ Windows. I had Linux installed for only a couple of months. Josh, the nephew, is a pure Filipino boy, that have never been outside the Philippines, never outside of Pasig City, where he currently resides. (He learned his English from Cartoon Network.) Josh found entertainment in the educational software that freely available for Linux. This goes to show, that in a world of pirated software, some good things just doesn&#8217;t have to be pirated. Linux is a good example to show children. Help them excel in Math, and then teach them C/C++ programming. If many children is introduced to Linux at a young age, then more exciting games will be produced (in Linux). What &#8216;wakes up&#8217; children, here in Manila, Philippines, is that when they hear they can program the computer without use of pirated software, they become curious at the free &#8220;stuff&#8221; available in Linux.
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		<title>by: Boycott Novell &#187; Links 15/11/2008: San Marcos University Moves to GNU/Linux, Spread Thunderbird is Launched</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7181/#comment-1744</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Child’s Play: Linux Conversion Through Education Successful and peaceful conversion of a population to any new concept occurs through its children. If you want to make people recycle plastic bottles, start a recycling program in Elementary School. Do you want to introduce a new type of mathematics? Introduce it in Elementary School. Do you have an internationally accepted system of measurement that you want everyone to use? OK, that last one doesn’t count. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Child’s Play: Linux Conversion Through Education Successful and peaceful conversion of a population to any new concept occurs through its children. If you want to make people recycle plastic bottles, start a recycling program in Elementary School. Do you want to introduce a new type of mathematics? Introduce it in Elementary School. Do you have an internationally accepted system of measurement that you want everyone to use? OK, that last one doesn’t count. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Roger Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7181/#comment-1742</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Graeme, As fellow Australian and Educator, I would like to say that I am actually at the coal face, in fact 2 decades; Teaching Middle and Senior School ICT and IT. You are spot on we need to get behind the OpenSource revolution! I agree that we should be spending less time writing or learning the basics. The paradigm of teaching needs to change. We need to make significant room in the curriculum for the "new" skills. "Writing is merely a method for recording thoughts. Not long ago neat cursive penmanship was the best method we had for this, because it was faster than printing and universally legible. Now we have better methods, such as phones, recording machines, IM, and keyboarding. As our kids all get their own phones and laptops, do we really need to teach them the old ways?" http://www.marcprensky.com/writing/Prensky-Backup_Education-EdTech-1-08.pdf
Roger Hawkins</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graeme, As fellow Australian and Educator, I would like to say that I am actually at the coal face, in fact 2 decades; Teaching Middle and Senior School ICT and IT. You are spot on we need to get behind the OpenSource revolution! I agree that we should be spending less time writing or learning the basics. The paradigm of teaching needs to change. We need to make significant room in the curriculum for the &#8220;new&#8221; skills. &#8220;Writing is merely a method for recording thoughts. Not long ago neat cursive penmanship was the best method we had for this, because it was faster than printing and universally legible. Now we have better methods, such as phones, recording machines, IM, and keyboarding. As our kids all get their own phones and laptops, do we really need to teach them the old ways?&#8221; <a href="http://www.marcprensky.com/writing/Prensky-Backup_Education-EdTech-1-08.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.marcprensky.com/writing/Prensky-Backup_Education-EdTech-1-08.pdf</a><br />
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		<title>by: Roger Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7181/#comment-1740</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>As a teacher, the tools we need are not &lt;b&gt;games or game like applications&lt;/b&gt; (I can get those from many web sites) but &lt;b&gt;creative tools&lt;/b&gt;, tools to build multimedia projects. The most popular and useful tools in schools are; M$ MovieMaker, PhotoStory. These are used extensively in classrooms today. We need Linux equivalents. Another area, Introduction to Programming tools i.e Scratch and Alice, no real solutions exist for Linux! Another area is making games and games programming, GameMaker is used in many schools, a Linux version is needed. Students today need to be creating digital content, programming will be the future literacy, we need fun easy tools for children, take a look at Scratch! &lt;b&gt;These software tools are desperately need for Linux to take hold in Education.&lt;/b&gt; KDE Education Project need to prioritize the development and or porting of these types of applications!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a teacher, the tools we need are not <b>games or game like applications</b> (I can get those from many web sites) but <b>creative tools</b>, tools to build multimedia projects. The most popular and useful tools in schools are; M$ MovieMaker, PhotoStory. These are used extensively in classrooms today. We need Linux equivalents. Another area, Introduction to Programming tools i.e Scratch and Alice, no real solutions exist for Linux! Another area is making games and games programming, GameMaker is used in many schools, a Linux version is needed. Students today need to be creating digital content, programming will be the future literacy, we need fun easy tools for children, take a look at Scratch! <b>These software tools are desperately need for Linux to take hold in Education.</b> KDE Education Project need to prioritize the development and or porting of these types of applications!
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		<title>by: graemeharrison</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7181/#comment-1741</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>As I posted a month ago on the Australian Broadcasting Commission site
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2370940.htm
let me repeat as it is relevant here (but slight Australian perspective):

I agree... that education departments have not broken the nexus between computing and Microsoft.

As I posted recently on ZDnet.com.au forum:
[Start of extract of post at ZDnet]
The real battle will be over school Operating System use. I think Ubuntu is now far more secure, stable, less-viral, easy-to-use and has far lower total cost of ownership than any proprietary OS. And interestingly, it may take the success of the One-Laptop-Per-Child project in Africa to confirm to OECD-country education departments that Ubuntu is the 'free/open' way to go. Then we'd see an interesting phenomenon where the first-world will learn IT lessons from the third-world. I'm still laughing from hearing the NSW Education Dept's claim that it can't/won't accept the free computer for each high school student from the Rudd [Australian] Federal Government on the grounds that the software and support costs will cripple the education budget. Someone should show the minister how a cloned Ubuntu drive can be copied in just minutes (as no separate licensing muck-around per PC) and how a user logged in as 'Guest' can do all manner of browsing but not EVER cause a stuff-up on the system, irrespective of what malware sites are visited.

WinXP never asked if you objected to the storage of a executable file in the program area of the system; Vista asks all the time, to the point where people disable the feature; Linux asks only once per 3-10 days when there are real program updates available, but then prevents you from by-passing this important security feature.
Graeme Harrison (prof at-symbol post.harvard.edu)
[End of extract]

The support costs could be 70% less with Open Source (eg Linux) AND I object to kids being taught corporate/proprietary formats and applications. Let's remember that the ISO standard for documents is now OpenOffice (M$ 'DOT DOC' was rejected)!

Having got my rant about 'standards' and 'open source' out of the way, let me say that, like the author's cousin, I too have decades of experience in the IT industry.

I think there are definitely 'real world parallels' in having kids use Google and Wiki to research topics, rather than accessing index card drawers in their local library. Having kids by Yr3 able to type up and save documents ain't bad either. Feeling comfortable doing a powerpoint presentation by Yr4 or Yr5 is a good skill to be comfortable with too.

I think the challenge is to ensure that these are NOT the only skills kids get (for the reasons cited in ABC article). That is not to say we need to do equal time in index card drawers... but just that we need to make sure that at least half the assignments up to Yr10 are required to be in handwriting, so that our future adults can still write (as well as type) and to ensure (as best we can) that they did not just copy-and-paste from elsewhere.

Google and Wiki are great tools, and what they are likely to use in real life. Go back one generation and remember that the argument then was about use of calculators (that excessive use could decrease numeracy skills)... and for Engineering students a generation before that, the use of slide rules to speed up calculators (similar argument).

When I started my first undergraduate course in 1972 we were just then (Sydney Uni) allowed to bring calculators into exams. But I still have the numeracy skills - like the mathematician with constipation - to work it out from first principles using just paper and pencil.

A news item on IT mag www.ZDnet.com.au notes that Portugal earlier this year did a licensing deal with Intel to build 500,000 laptops in Portugal for school kids, based on the Intel Atom low-power processor. Now Portugal reports a deal with Venezuela to supply 1,000,000 laptops for that country's school kids. Of course all 1,500,000 will run Linux, not Windoze.

Australia [and America] needs to get behind the Open Source revolution, rather than training our youngest how to live a life entirely locked-into proprietary protocols. In time it has the power to change our whole economy. The countries with whom we will compete over the next century are already not paying large software royalties, so why should we put ourselves at a competitive disadvantage?
Graeme Harrison (prof at-symbol post.harvard.edu)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I posted a month ago on the Australian Broadcasting Commission site<br />
<a href="http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2370940.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2370940.htm</a><br />
let me repeat as it is relevant here (but slight Australian perspective):</p>
<p>I agree&#8230; that education departments have not broken the nexus between computing and Microsoft.</p>
<p>As I posted recently on ZDnet.com.au forum:<br />
[Start of extract of post at ZDnet]<br />
The real battle will be over school Operating System use. I think Ubuntu is now far more secure, stable, less-viral, easy-to-use and has far lower total cost of ownership than any proprietary OS. And interestingly, it may take the success of the One-Laptop-Per-Child project in Africa to confirm to OECD-country education departments that Ubuntu is the &#8216;free/open&#8217; way to go. Then we&#8217;d see an interesting phenomenon where the first-world will learn IT lessons from the third-world. I&#8217;m still laughing from hearing the NSW Education Dept&#8217;s claim that it can&#8217;t/won&#8217;t accept the free computer for each high school student from the Rudd [Australian] Federal Government on the grounds that the software and support costs will cripple the education budget. Someone should show the minister how a cloned Ubuntu drive can be copied in just minutes (as no separate licensing muck-around per PC) and how a user logged in as &#8216;Guest&#8217; can do all manner of browsing but not EVER cause a stuff-up on the system, irrespective of what malware sites are visited.</p>
<p>WinXP never asked if you objected to the storage of a executable file in the program area of the system; Vista asks all the time, to the point where people disable the feature; Linux asks only once per 3-10 days when there are real program updates available, but then prevents you from by-passing this important security feature.<br />
Graeme Harrison (prof at-symbol post.harvard.edu)<br />
[End of extract]</p>
<p>The support costs could be 70% less with Open Source (eg Linux) AND I object to kids being taught corporate/proprietary formats and applications. Let&#8217;s remember that the ISO standard for documents is now OpenOffice (M$ &#8216;DOT DOC&#8217; was rejected)!</p>
<p>Having got my rant about &#8217;standards&#8217; and &#8216;open source&#8217; out of the way, let me say that, like the author&#8217;s cousin, I too have decades of experience in the IT industry.</p>
<p>I think there are definitely &#8216;real world parallels&#8217; in having kids use Google and Wiki to research topics, rather than accessing index card drawers in their local library. Having kids by Yr3 able to type up and save documents ain&#8217;t bad either. Feeling comfortable doing a powerpoint presentation by Yr4 or Yr5 is a good skill to be comfortable with too.</p>
<p>I think the challenge is to ensure that these are NOT the only skills kids get (for the reasons cited in ABC article). That is not to say we need to do equal time in index card drawers&#8230; but just that we need to make sure that at least half the assignments up to Yr10 are required to be in handwriting, so that our future adults can still write (as well as type) and to ensure (as best we can) that they did not just copy-and-paste from elsewhere.</p>
<p>Google and Wiki are great tools, and what they are likely to use in real life. Go back one generation and remember that the argument then was about use of calculators (that excessive use could decrease numeracy skills)&#8230; and for Engineering students a generation before that, the use of slide rules to speed up calculators (similar argument).</p>
<p>When I started my first undergraduate course in 1972 we were just then (Sydney Uni) allowed to bring calculators into exams. But I still have the numeracy skills - like the mathematician with constipation - to work it out from first principles using just paper and pencil.</p>
<p>A news item on IT mag <a href="http://www.ZDnet.com.au" rel="nofollow">www.ZDnet.com.au</a> notes that Portugal earlier this year did a licensing deal with Intel to build 500,000 laptops in Portugal for school kids, based on the Intel Atom low-power processor. Now Portugal reports a deal with Venezuela to supply 1,000,000 laptops for that country&#8217;s school kids. Of course all 1,500,000 will run Linux, not Windoze.</p>
<p>Australia [and America] needs to get behind the Open Source revolution, rather than training our youngest how to live a life entirely locked-into proprietary protocols. In time it has the power to change our whole economy. The countries with whom we will compete over the next century are already not paying large software royalties, so why should we put ourselves at a competitive disadvantage?<br />
Graeme Harrison (prof at-symbol post.harvard.edu)
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		<title>by: philip@hux.co.za</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7181/#comment-1739</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well your absolutly right i suppose you have heard of the OLPC (One Laptop per Child) plan, give every child a laptop for schooling ,forget books, study guides pens, paper you name it. the child uses their new laptop for all there schooling and guess what? it runs on LINUX. 

Now your child grows up only know whats in his/hers face all day long LINUX they grow up and there you have it a new generation of Pengiun lovers. tell you what my kids will eat sleep and drink Linux.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well your absolutly right i suppose you have heard of the OLPC (One Laptop per Child) plan, give every child a laptop for schooling ,forget books, study guides pens, paper you name it. the child uses their new laptop for all there schooling and guess what? it runs on LINUX. </p>
<p>Now your child grows up only know whats in his/hers face all day long LINUX they grow up and there you have it a new generation of Pengiun lovers. tell you what my kids will eat sleep and drink Linux.
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		<title>by: Alex Borrell</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7181/#comment-1738</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree with you, Linux should be introduced at an early stage. In Latin America schools opt for Windows applications because of piracy (mainly) but also because teachers are affraid of Linux and learninig it. So it would be also necessary to get a pool of computing teachers with a good knowledege of open source</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, Linux should be introduced at an early stage. In Latin America schools opt for Windows applications because of piracy (mainly) but also because teachers are affraid of Linux and learninig it. So it would be also necessary to get a pool of computing teachers with a good knowledege of open source
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