Comments on: Splitting Up Sun Microsystems http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7236/ Open Source, Open Standards Sat, 05 Oct 2013 13:48:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: comptex http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7236/#comment-6142 comptex Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7236/#comment-6142 It all relates to focus in sales. Their products are great I think that one could split up sun into several well-focused companies.... storage, servers, processor semiconductors, datacenter infrastructure, open software (perhaps a couple of opportunities here). Each would very quickly be a multi-billion dollar business. It all relates to focus in sales. Their products are great I think that one could split up sun into several well-focused companies…. storage, servers, processor semiconductors, datacenter infrastructure, open software (perhaps a couple of opportunities here). Each would very quickly be a multi-billion dollar business.

]]> By: magpiper http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7236/#comment-6143 magpiper Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7236/#comment-6143 HMM, obtuse software and antiquated sales model. Yep, time to do something different. I am a Novell bigot. Novell has recovered from the DOT COM bubble and are stronger than ever. Sun has coasted on "old school UNIX dweebs". I say this with authority because I work in the Department of Defense (DoD) arena. <br /> <br /> The project I work upon is enfatuated with Sun. This is due to a left over mentality from the late 80's and early 90's, prior to commodity hardware. Back in the day IBM, DEC, NEC, Sun sold a hardware platform that was proprietary. The hardware was of no use without an OS. Thus Solaris, AIX etc. were born out of necessity. Given the hardware was far superior to Intel architecture.<br /> <br /> Thus Sun has been left to sell their wares to government entities and the like. SPARC processors have not been developed since 2003. Sun now sells AMD processors in their hardware platforms. Java is being adopted quite readily. Sun denies open source or specifically GNU license. If Sun were smart they would let the open source community develop their software; instead of the team of foreign engineers, whom I converse with on a regular basis.<br /> <br /> With the downturn in the economy, companies are jumping at the opportunity to reorganize; and blame it on the economy. Sun has been treading water since the DOT COM era. Adding the Java name to every product they have, did nothing but confuse customers. Linux, open source and GNU license have knelled the death blow to Sun. Management at Sun has done nothing to expel the fiery darts. HMM, obtuse software and antiquated sales model. Yep, time to do something different. I am a Novell bigot. Novell has recovered from the DOT COM bubble and are stronger than ever. Sun has coasted on “old school UNIX dweebs”. I say this with authority because I work in the Department of Defense (DoD) arena.

The project I work upon is enfatuated with Sun. This is due to a left over mentality from the late 80′s and early 90′s, prior to commodity hardware. Back in the day IBM, DEC, NEC, Sun sold a hardware platform that was proprietary. The hardware was of no use without an OS. Thus Solaris, AIX etc. were born out of necessity. Given the hardware was far superior to Intel architecture.

Thus Sun has been left to sell their wares to government entities and the like. SPARC processors have not been developed since 2003. Sun now sells AMD processors in their hardware platforms. Java is being adopted quite readily. Sun denies open source or specifically GNU license. If Sun were smart they would let the open source community develop their software; instead of the team of foreign engineers, whom I converse with on a regular basis.

With the downturn in the economy, companies are jumping at the opportunity to reorganize; and blame it on the economy. Sun has been treading water since the DOT COM era. Adding the Java name to every product they have, did nothing but confuse customers. Linux, open source and GNU license have knelled the death blow to Sun. Management at Sun has done nothing to expel the fiery darts.

]]> By: ynegorp http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7236/#comment-6144 ynegorp Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7236/#comment-6144 Why does the so called "new" thinking rush to save share holder equity at the expense of company longevity?<br /> Sun should NOT be split up. One hand feeds the other one. I have zero reason to consider a vendor of either hardware or software if there is nothing that gives me end to end support and unique development support.<br /> Otherwise why buy their processors, or JAVA. I don't need or want the grief of finding third party support contracts. But I do want seamless feature and dev. support built in for the specific hardware.<br /> Otherwise, I'll just go to IBM or HP or should one be forced to "go it alone" use white label equipment or Cray.<br /> Keep them together but demand absolutely unique performance and feature delivery.<br /> Or admit you've become inconsequential in todays fad driven world, therefore from a business view unremarkable in the real meaning of the word. At that point perhaps only the processor R&D remains valued. Why does the so called “new” thinking rush to save share holder equity at the expense of company longevity?
Sun should NOT be split up. One hand feeds the other one. I have zero reason to consider a vendor of either hardware or software if there is nothing that gives me end to end support and unique development support.
Otherwise why buy their processors, or JAVA. I don’t need or want the grief of finding third party support contracts. But I do want seamless feature and dev. support built in for the specific hardware.
Otherwise, I’ll just go to IBM or HP or should one be forced to “go it alone” use white label equipment or Cray.
Keep them together but demand absolutely unique performance and feature delivery.
Or admit you’ve become inconsequential in todays fad driven world, therefore from a business view unremarkable in the real meaning of the word. At that point perhaps only the processor R&D remains valued.

]]> By: sandholm http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7236/#comment-6145 sandholm Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7236/#comment-6145 I never cared for Solaris. I felt that IBM AIX and HP's HPUX were far batter products. I fell in LOVE with SuSE and yast2. Having been an AT&T SVR4 instructor and working with sysadm, I saw Sun's SVR4 port to be weak and thrown together; and what? No sysadm?<br /> Okay, I can deal without have a nice admin-interface, but when Sun announced that Ian Murdock was coming on board, I thought, "Great Idea! Maybe Sun would distribute and support Debian!". Debian is one of the best distributions. The package management is unparalleled. But Sun's done nothing, no mention of Debian. All they've done is purchased MySQL. Come on Guys! HP and IBM are offering support on Debian, and don't forget Canonical and Ubuntu. If Sun offered Debian distributions and support, I could convince my mgmt to switch over from RedHat. But no, I suspect they'll still continue to flogg the old gray solaris horse until it drops. I never cared for Solaris. I felt that IBM AIX and HP’s HPUX were far batter products. I fell in LOVE with SuSE and yast2. Having been an AT&T SVR4 instructor and working with sysadm, I saw Sun’s SVR4 port to be weak and thrown together; and what? No sysadm?
Okay, I can deal without have a nice admin-interface, but when Sun announced that Ian Murdock was coming on board, I thought, “Great Idea! Maybe Sun would distribute and support Debian!”. Debian is one of the best distributions. The package management is unparalleled. But Sun’s done nothing, no mention of Debian. All they’ve done is purchased MySQL. Come on Guys! HP and IBM are offering support on Debian, and don’t forget Canonical and Ubuntu. If Sun offered Debian distributions and support, I could convince my mgmt to switch over from RedHat. But no, I suspect they’ll still continue to flogg the old gray solaris horse until it drops.

]]> By: mschoon http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7236/#comment-6146 mschoon Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7236/#comment-6146 Splitting up Sun would certainly reduce the confusion, such as the back and forth bickering that went on when the company was considering open sourcing java. Ultimately, the open source employees won, but it seems like the lines have been drawn in some regards. I'm not sure how deep this rivalry is, but it was strong enough that everyone witnessed a media leak and counter-leak fight that lacked any class for the size of enterprise that Sun is. It's never good for a company's image to reveal internal conflicts. I really hope Sun doesn't have to split up, they've been a wonderful supporter of open source and allowed some exceptional developers to be paid for their long hours of work (the mySQL and virtualbox ones especially). Unfortunately, if they do not split up, I believe they are going to need some tough decisions in order for clients to trust their future, such as mopping up the in-fighting with severances. Splitting up Sun would certainly reduce the confusion, such as the back and forth bickering that went on when the company was considering open sourcing java. Ultimately, the open source employees won, but it seems like the lines have been drawn in some regards. I’m not sure how deep this rivalry is, but it was strong enough that everyone witnessed a media leak and counter-leak fight that lacked any class for the size of enterprise that Sun is. It’s never good for a company’s image to reveal internal conflicts. I really hope Sun doesn’t have to split up, they’ve been a wonderful supporter of open source and allowed some exceptional developers to be paid for their long hours of work (the mySQL and virtualbox ones especially). Unfortunately, if they do not split up, I believe they are going to need some tough decisions in order for clients to trust their future, such as mopping up the in-fighting with severances.

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