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	<title>Comments on: Five Game-Changing Features in Firefox 3.5</title>
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		<title>By: Yudy</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7326/#comment-145159</link>
		<dc:creator>Yudy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#8211; bokkmaroed by 3 members originally found by RockstarGames on 2008-09-11  Trying out Google Chrome   &#8211; bokkmaroed by 5 members originally found</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211; bokkmaroed by 3 members originally found by RockstarGames on 2008-09-11  Trying out Google Chrome   &#8211; bokkmaroed by 5 members originally found</p>
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		<title>By: jsilve1</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7326/#comment-6426</link>
		<dc:creator>jsilve1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about memory management and process isolation? I haven&#039;t used Chrome (Google&#039;s browser) but from what I&#039;ve read, Chrome isolates each browsing session -- tab, window -- from the rest so that if one crashes for some reason it does not kill your entire browser. Does FF 3.5 have this?&lt;br /&gt;
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Or, at a minimum, does FF3.5 deal with and/or prevent crashing any better?????&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
IMO, that is a much more important feature than this eye candy and GUI nicety stuff. FF3.0 is great but it still crashes way the hell too often. And for an app that I spend MOST of my day using, ONE crash per WEEK is way the hell too often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about memory management and process isolation? I haven&#8217;t used Chrome (Google&#8217;s browser) but from what I&#8217;ve read, Chrome isolates each browsing session &#8212; tab, window &#8212; from the rest so that if one crashes for some reason it does not kill your entire browser. Does FF 3.5 have this?</p>
<p>Or, at a minimum, does FF3.5 deal with and/or prevent crashing any better?????</p>
<p>IMO, that is a much more important feature than this eye candy and GUI nicety stuff. FF3.0 is great but it still crashes way the hell too often. And for an app that I spend MOST of my day using, ONE crash per WEEK is way the hell too often.</p>
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		<title>By: rebound11</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7326/#comment-6427</link>
		<dc:creator>rebound11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with jsilve1, I&#039;ve used Chrome, and besides it uses hell of a lot less memory than FF you can kill only the tab that crashed, not the whole session. That&#039;s the first thing that should be implemented in FF IMO.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The memory issue is the second one, a clean FF (even one with the scriptblocker plugin which should prevent heavy flash and java applets and browser apps and ads load) uses way to much memory. If I need a low demand environment I use Opera or Seamonkey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with jsilve1, I&#8217;ve used Chrome, and besides it uses hell of a lot less memory than FF you can kill only the tab that crashed, not the whole session. That&#8217;s the first thing that should be implemented in FF IMO.</p>
<p>The memory issue is the second one, a clean FF (even one with the scriptblocker plugin which should prevent heavy flash and java applets and browser apps and ads load) uses way to much memory. If I need a low demand environment I use Opera or Seamonkey.</p>
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		<title>By: greimer</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7326/#comment-6428</link>
		<dc:creator>greimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t completely relevant, and I dread what I may be stepping into here, but I don&#039;t use Firefox because it&#039;s [Home] button is broken. I have 15 saved tabs in my home page group, and after I do a bunch of stuff in alot of them, I like to be able to click on [home] and get my 15 tabs back, so my browser is all nice and set up again like I had just launched it.&lt;br /&gt;
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     Seamonkey does this for me. Last time I checked, Firefox doesn&#039;t. If I have a home page group of 15 different tabs in Firefox, and I click [Home], I wind up with 29 tabs in my browser, and an essentially dead browser because my workstation doesn&#039;t have the horsepower to run 29 tabs. (God help me if I click [Home] twice.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
     Why is that?? Is there some kind of history to this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t completely relevant, and I dread what I may be stepping into here, but I don&#8217;t use Firefox because it&#8217;s [Home] button is broken. I have 15 saved tabs in my home page group, and after I do a bunch of stuff in alot of them, I like to be able to click on [home] and get my 15 tabs back, so my browser is all nice and set up again like I had just launched it.</p>
<p>     Seamonkey does this for me. Last time I checked, Firefox doesn&#8217;t. If I have a home page group of 15 different tabs in Firefox, and I click [Home], I wind up with 29 tabs in my browser, and an essentially dead browser because my workstation doesn&#8217;t have the horsepower to run 29 tabs. (God help me if I click [Home] twice.)</p>
<p>     Why is that?? Is there some kind of history to this?</p>
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		<title>By: wassuse</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7326/#comment-6429</link>
		<dc:creator>wassuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi fellow FF geeks.  I would just like to put in my 2 cents.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I have tried the latest FF 3.0.8 on Mythdora 5 and FF 3.0.9 on win xp.  &lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
On Mythdora until 3.0.8 every  3.x version of FF would   crash every second time Ie  press the back button.  Thankfully now with 3.0.8 it doesn&#039;t crash at all.  I think general stability fixes are the most important.  At the same time the average homer user and the commercial world both demand new flashy features.  I think a balance has to be struck.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I really think it&#039;s more stable on Win xp than linux.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So yes, the private browsing is a great feature, and the others except geolocation has me freaking out. Could you please provide a link for how u disable it?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Also, I think FF is still the best browser. It provides the interface many prefer like myself.  And the privacy features are a reason I use only FF pretty much for any encrypted browsing, and now for everything else.  I really have a soft spot for FF.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
But I think that 3.5.1 could be the real game changer in terms of stability.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
thanks&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
wasim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi fellow FF geeks.  I would just like to put in my 2 cents.</p>
<p>I have tried the latest FF 3.0.8 on Mythdora 5 and FF 3.0.9 on win xp.  </p>
<p>On Mythdora until 3.0.8 every  3.x version of FF would   crash every second time Ie  press the back button.  Thankfully now with 3.0.8 it doesn&#8217;t crash at all.  I think general stability fixes are the most important.  At the same time the average homer user and the commercial world both demand new flashy features.  I think a balance has to be struck.  </p>
<p>I really think it&#8217;s more stable on Win xp than linux.</p>
<p>So yes, the private browsing is a great feature, and the others except geolocation has me freaking out. Could you please provide a link for how u disable it?</p>
<p>Also, I think FF is still the best browser. It provides the interface many prefer like myself.  And the privacy features are a reason I use only FF pretty much for any encrypted browsing, and now for everything else.  I really have a soft spot for FF.</p>
<p>But I think that 3.5.1 could be the real game changer in terms of stability.</p>
<p>thanks</p>
<p>wasim</p>
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		<title>By: hjmangalam</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7326/#comment-6430</link>
		<dc:creator>hjmangalam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been trying to live with chrome as my primary browser for the last few &lt;br /&gt;
days.  For a pre-alpha browser (Google&#039;s words), it&#039;s quite &lt;br /&gt;
astonishing.  It has not crashed in 3 days of steady use (vs ~1-2 &lt;br /&gt;
times a day for Firefox).   Below are some stats that indicate some &lt;br /&gt;
trade-offs.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I restarted both FF and Chrome (both cached, so it&#039;s &lt;br /&gt;
a &#039;load-from-cache&#039; measurement) and measured the baseline resource &lt;br /&gt;
consumption and then loaded them with the same 20 pages (including a &lt;br /&gt;
number that are lousy with ads, extraneous JS, etc).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Starting up and pointing to news.google.com, firefox (1 process) takes &lt;br /&gt;
4s to start and load the page, and takes up 230MB (V) &amp; 83MB (R).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Chrome takes ~1.5s (2 processes) and takes up a total of 199MB(V) and &lt;br /&gt;
48MB(R).  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Advantage chrome.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Note that chrome starts an initial instance and then each tab as a &lt;br /&gt;
separate process which reduces the probability that a fatal error in &lt;br /&gt;
one will take down the rest (and it seems to be working based on my &lt;br /&gt;
experience). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Advantage chrome.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
However, for the 20 pages loaded, firefox (as a single process) uses &lt;br /&gt;
about 1/3 the RAM (584MN (R) for firefox and a total of 1772MB (R) &lt;br /&gt;
for chrome (21 processes)) and 2/3 of the CPU cycles as well (19.2% &lt;br /&gt;
vs 28.9%).  While I didn&#039;t measure the load time of each page, it &lt;br /&gt;
seemed that FF loaded them faster, especially towards the end of the &lt;br /&gt;
list of pages.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Advantage firefox.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While chrome is VERY stable, it&#039;s still quite incomplete (no printing, &lt;br /&gt;
no youtube, few plugins, some interface glitches.  however, based on &lt;br /&gt;
this preview, I&#039;m very impressed.  If they can cut down on resource &lt;br /&gt;
use (probable), maintain speed and stability (probable), and &lt;br /&gt;
encourage the same kind of plugin and user community as FF (hmmmm), &lt;br /&gt;
it&#039;s certainly a contender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been trying to live with chrome as my primary browser for the last few <br />
days.  For a pre-alpha browser (Google&#8217;s words), it&#8217;s quite <br />
astonishing.  It has not crashed in 3 days of steady use (vs ~1-2 <br />
times a day for Firefox).   Below are some stats that indicate some <br />
trade-offs.</p>
<p>I restarted both FF and Chrome (both cached, so it&#8217;s <br />
a &#8216;load-from-cache&#8217; measurement) and measured the baseline resource <br />
consumption and then loaded them with the same 20 pages (including a <br />
number that are lousy with ads, extraneous JS, etc).</p>
<p>Starting up and pointing to news.google.com, firefox (1 process) takes <br />
4s to start and load the page, and takes up 230MB (V) &amp; 83MB (R).</p>
<p>Chrome takes ~1.5s (2 processes) and takes up a total of 199MB(V) and <br />
48MB(R).  </p>
<p>* Advantage chrome.</p>
<p>Note that chrome starts an initial instance and then each tab as a <br />
separate process which reduces the probability that a fatal error in <br />
one will take down the rest (and it seems to be working based on my <br />
experience). </p>
<p>* Advantage chrome.</p>
<p>However, for the 20 pages loaded, firefox (as a single process) uses <br />
about 1/3 the RAM (584MN (R) for firefox and a total of 1772MB (R) <br />
for chrome (21 processes)) and 2/3 of the CPU cycles as well (19.2% <br />
vs 28.9%).  While I didn&#8217;t measure the load time of each page, it <br />
seemed that FF loaded them faster, especially towards the end of the <br />
list of pages.</p>
<p>* Advantage firefox.</p>
<p>While chrome is VERY stable, it&#8217;s still quite incomplete (no printing, <br />
no youtube, few plugins, some interface glitches.  however, based on <br />
this preview, I&#8217;m very impressed.  If they can cut down on resource <br />
use (probable), maintain speed and stability (probable), and <br />
encourage the same kind of plugin and user community as FF (hmmmm), <br />
it&#8217;s certainly a contender.</p>
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		<title>By: hjmangalam</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7326/#comment-6431</link>
		<dc:creator>hjmangalam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: my previous post - the comparison was on Linux: FF 3.0.10 vs google-chrome 3.0.187.0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: my previous post &#8211; the comparison was on Linux: FF 3.0.10 vs google-chrome 3.0.187.0</p>
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