Comments on: openSUSE, Now with More Open http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7394/ Open Source, Open Standards Sat, 05 Oct 2013 13:48:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: kmarsh http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7394/#comment-6598 kmarsh Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7394/#comment-6598 What? No mention of the Microsoft patent cross-license agreement that turned the FOSS marketplace against Novell/SuSE? Do you expect that we've forgotten already? What? No mention of the Microsoft patent cross-license agreement that turned the FOSS marketplace against Novell/SuSE? Do you expect that we’ve forgotten already?

]]> By: fxrsliberty http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7394/#comment-6599 fxrsliberty Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7394/#comment-6599 some people never stop being ........, How much harm has come to openSUSE or the FOSS community because of said agreement? openSUSE is completely GPL there are NO gray areas here. Nothing openSUSE has introduced to the "Market place" has even raised an eyebrow from the linux foundation or Groklaw since the interoperability agreement was signed. Would you please have that dead horse buried already! some people never stop being …….., How much harm has come to openSUSE or the FOSS community because of said agreement? openSUSE is completely GPL there are NO gray areas here. Nothing openSUSE has introduced to the “Market place” has even raised an eyebrow from the linux foundation or Groklaw since the interoperability agreement was signed. Would you please have that dead horse buried already!

]]> By: corktowner http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7394/#comment-6600 corktowner Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7394/#comment-6600 The fact is that openSUSE never has been the best at anything in the Linux marketplace. I've tried openSUSE with several of their releases (before the joining with m$) and have always had trouble, especially with wireless. And the whole m$ partnership issue really tainted their credibility. That was enough to keep my away forever! It should be enough for anyone even slightly interested to think twice before considering jumping in the waters with such a dubious team. The fact is that openSUSE never has been the best at anything in the Linux marketplace. I’ve tried openSUSE with several of their releases (before the joining with m$) and have always had trouble, especially with wireless. And the whole m$ partnership issue really tainted their credibility. That was enough to keep my away forever! It should be enough for anyone even slightly interested to think twice before considering jumping in the waters with such a dubious team.

]]> By: csmart http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7394/#comment-6601 csmart Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7394/#comment-6601 <p>I decided to stay away from Novell\'s agreements with Microsoft for this article as it is more about openSUSE and the community, rather than their business dealings. Don\'t think I approve of those dealings just because I didn\'t mention it in this article ;-)</p> <p>The fact is that this move is good for openSUSE and their community, evil Novell or not.</p> <p>-c </p> I decided to stay away from Novell\’s agreements with Microsoft for this article as it is more about openSUSE and the community, rather than their business dealings. Don\’t think I approve of those dealings just because I didn\’t mention it in this article ;-)

The fact is that this move is good for openSUSE and their community, evil Novell or not.

-c

]]> By: zeke123 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7394/#comment-6602 zeke123 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7394/#comment-6602 <p>OpenSuse IS Novell. The GPL protects the community from some surprises but the strings are pulled by Novell. Therefore as a non compensated developer hobbyist I will stay away. You might not be affected by the deal but as someone who develops on my own time AND also work for various companies, their extortion deal and the resulting language put me at risk.<br /> Telling me that you wont sue me if Im \'just a hobbyist\' is no favour and still falls under the threat column.<br /> So just because YOU havent been affected doesnt make the issue wrong or dead.</p> <p>The Ubuntu blogger below makes 5 pts about OpenSuse\'s that are worth being remembered when claiming \'different entity\' status:</p> <p>http://meandubuntu.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/the-opensuse-faq-touched-me-in-a-bad-place/<br /> As I mentioned in another blog post Novell’s relationship with openSUSE is not one of “mere sponsorship”:</p> <p> * openSUSE is a trademark of Novell<br /> * openSUSE EULA is was a “Novell Software License Agreement” [I see this has changed for the new release.]<br /> * openSUSE is promoted as “openSUSE from Novell” on Novell’s own website<br /> * The openSUSE site is copyrighted by Novell.<br /> * The openSUSE “Community Board” is lead by a Novell-appointed chairman, and must contain a majority of Novell employees. </p> OpenSuse IS Novell. The GPL protects the community from some surprises but the strings are pulled by Novell. Therefore as a non compensated developer hobbyist I will stay away. You might not be affected by the deal but as someone who develops on my own time AND also work for various companies, their extortion deal and the resulting language put me at risk.
Telling me that you wont sue me if Im \’just a hobbyist\’ is no favour and still falls under the threat column.
So just because YOU havent been affected doesnt make the issue wrong or dead.

The Ubuntu blogger below makes 5 pts about OpenSuse\’s that are worth being remembered when claiming \’different entity\’ status:

http://meandubuntu.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/the-opensuse-faq-touched-me-in-a-bad-place/
As I mentioned in another blog post Novell’s relationship with openSUSE is not one of “mere sponsorship”:

* openSUSE is a trademark of Novell
* openSUSE EULA is was a “Novell Software License Agreement” [I see this has changed for the new release.]
* openSUSE is promoted as “openSUSE from Novell” on Novell’s own website
* The openSUSE site is copyrighted by Novell.
* The openSUSE “Community Board” is lead by a Novell-appointed chairman, and must contain a majority of Novell employees.

]]> By: csmart http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7394/#comment-6603 csmart Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7394/#comment-6603 <p>Hi zek123,</p> <p>Possibly so, but I still think that what Novell has done here is better for the users of openSUSE - that\'s what I mean by community. That\'s the crux of the article. I\'m not defending Novell by any means, but aspects of the points you argue are what is changing, such as the requirement of Novell employees. It hasn\'t happened completely yet, but it looks to be getting better.</p> <p>Will Novell remain in control of openSUSE? Probably. Will they continue their dodgy Microsoft deals, undoubtedly.</p> <p>It\'s also worth noting that \"Ubuntu\" is a trademark of Canonical and that the ubuntu.com website is copyright of Canonical. I\'m not sure about the employees bit, but I\'m pretty sure it would be similar.</p> <p>-c </p> Hi zek123,

Possibly so, but I still think that what Novell has done here is better for the users of openSUSE – that\’s what I mean by community. That\’s the crux of the article. I\’m not defending Novell by any means, but aspects of the points you argue are what is changing, such as the requirement of Novell employees. It hasn\’t happened completely yet, but it looks to be getting better.

Will Novell remain in control of openSUSE? Probably. Will they continue their dodgy Microsoft deals, undoubtedly.

It\’s also worth noting that \”Ubuntu\” is a trademark of Canonical and that the ubuntu.com website is copyright of Canonical. I\’m not sure about the employees bit, but I\’m pretty sure it would be similar.

-c

]]> By: bigpat http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7394/#comment-6604 bigpat Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7394/#comment-6604 <p>In response to \'corktowner\'</p> <p>RE: The fact is that openSUSE never has been the best at anything in the Linux marketplace. I\'ve tried openSUSE with several of their releases (before the joining with m$) and have always had trouble, especially with wireless.</p> <p>ME: I don\'t understand your wifi troubles here (you could have tried being a bit more specific)... I run openSUSE 11.0 desktop and openSUSE 11.1 laptop. No wifi difficulties here.</p> <p>Though I\'ve run a myriad of different Linux over the years, with SuSE I go back before version 10. Before the days of \"openSUSE\"...</p> <p>Though the Novell-M$ agreement tweaked the world, I don\'t think we\'ve seen any negative impact from it. I rather suspect Novell would watch for that rather closely, as much uproar as they were subject of a while back.</p> <p>So corktowner, before trying openSUSE again, please do make sure your wifi skills are up to snuff. openSUSE is a pretty rock-solid distro, going back before version 10, I\'ve been thru many distros, and always end up returning - and my returns aren\'t based on loyalties or anything like that, just performance and personal preferences.</p> <p>-Pat </p> In response to \’corktowner\’

RE: The fact is that openSUSE never has been the best at anything in the Linux marketplace. I\’ve tried openSUSE with several of their releases (before the joining with m$) and have always had trouble, especially with wireless.

ME: I don\’t understand your wifi troubles here (you could have tried being a bit more specific)… I run openSUSE 11.0 desktop and openSUSE 11.1 laptop. No wifi difficulties here.

Though I\’ve run a myriad of different Linux over the years, with SuSE I go back before version 10. Before the days of \”openSUSE\”…

Though the Novell-M$ agreement tweaked the world, I don\’t think we\’ve seen any negative impact from it. I rather suspect Novell would watch for that rather closely, as much uproar as they were subject of a while back.

So corktowner, before trying openSUSE again, please do make sure your wifi skills are up to snuff. openSUSE is a pretty rock-solid distro, going back before version 10, I\’ve been thru many distros, and always end up returning – and my returns aren\’t based on loyalties or anything like that, just performance and personal preferences.

-Pat

]]> By: blueherontrail http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7394/#comment-6605 blueherontrail Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7394/#comment-6605 <p>I have preferred SuSE to RedHat for many years now, having switched around 1999-2000. It seems to me that they\'ve typically been the more innovative distribution. Ubuntu (or, in my case, Kubuntu) shows promise, too, but I seem to come back to SuSE.</p> <p>However, my affinity for Linux has never been based on its being open source but on its being a better value than Windows. (Proof: I\'m an OS X user first -- Linux 2nd.) I understand the fact that it\'s probably a better choice <em>because</em> it\'s open source, though.</p> <p>-Sean </p> I have preferred SuSE to RedHat for many years now, having switched around 1999-2000. It seems to me that they\’ve typically been the more innovative distribution. Ubuntu (or, in my case, Kubuntu) shows promise, too, but I seem to come back to SuSE.

However, my affinity for Linux has never been based on its being open source but on its being a better value than Windows. (Proof: I\’m an OS X user first — Linux 2nd.) I understand the fact that it\’s probably a better choice because it\’s open source, though.

-Sean

]]> By: deudeul http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7394/#comment-6606 deudeul Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7394/#comment-6606 <p>Well,<br /> I do not know much about characteristics of OpenSUSE.<br /> So, the following comment should be a bitter medicine (rather than a poison) to SUSE.</p> <p>I tried to install OpenSuSE 11_X86_64 on my Tyan Quad board S4985 with four Opteron 8354 (B2 stepping).<br /> At a first moment of installing, she was pretending to probe hardwares well and collecting appropriate packages (but without showing what she probed and collected).<br /> At the 90% of collecting procedures, she just went out without any warning message.<br /> I don\'t know, whether she would come back after 2 or 3 hours.<br /> Yes, I am certainly very impatient, so just kicked her out within a second by unplugging the PW cord, and called to CentOS.<br /> VeryVery Quickly, silently, and with all messages showing what she (CentOS) found on my server, furthermore without any complaints, she successfully nested on my sever within 20 mins.</p> <p>Slack is still my most favorite but NOT OpenSUSE, unless otherwise she offers more as her sister (ELSUSI) does.<br /> RH is not my favorite due to a couple of issues on GNU things.<br /> However, I feel from CentOS that I can still date with ELRH for free.</p> <p>Well, my conclusion is that I would not tried that SUSI again by the next version comming. </p> Well,
I do not know much about characteristics of OpenSUSE.
So, the following comment should be a bitter medicine (rather than a poison) to SUSE.

I tried to install OpenSuSE 11_X86_64 on my Tyan Quad board S4985 with four Opteron 8354 (B2 stepping).
At a first moment of installing, she was pretending to probe hardwares well and collecting appropriate packages (but without showing what she probed and collected).
At the 90% of collecting procedures, she just went out without any warning message.
I don\’t know, whether she would come back after 2 or 3 hours.
Yes, I am certainly very impatient, so just kicked her out within a second by unplugging the PW cord, and called to CentOS.
VeryVery Quickly, silently, and with all messages showing what she (CentOS) found on my server, furthermore without any complaints, she successfully nested on my sever within 20 mins.

Slack is still my most favorite but NOT OpenSUSE, unless otherwise she offers more as her sister (ELSUSI) does.
RH is not my favorite due to a couple of issues on GNU things.
However, I feel from CentOS that I can still date with ELRH for free.

Well, my conclusion is that I would not tried that SUSI again by the next version comming.

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