Comments on: Will Linux Shine as Google Chrome OS? http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/ Open Source, Open Standards Sat, 05 Oct 2013 13:48:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: ilithium http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/#comment-6710 ilithium Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/#comment-6710 <p>There\'s another aspect of this which holds a very dark future for Microsoft: the WINE project. I\'ve written a piece on this too, here:<br /> http://blog.ilithium.com/2009/07/why-google-will-win-war.html </p> There\’s another aspect of this which holds a very dark future for Microsoft: the WINE project. I\’ve written a piece on this too, here:
http://blog.ilithium.com/2009/07/why-google-will-win-war.html

]]> By: bofh999 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/#comment-6711 bofh999 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/#comment-6711 <p>One side its fine. ANd yes take Microsoft Market on anyway isnt a bad thing.</p> <p>But to beat the one old Monster we create the new one. Google in the meanwhile scares the shit out of me. They are going to controll everything on the Net. And The Net is going to controll everything.</p> <p>So is google the real alternative?</p> <p>One Thing i dont like on the Google services (which i dont use except the search engine and maps). They are all on the Net without a real personalized Security. So for busniness needs hmm i dont like it.<br /> We use 5 Security Rings aoround our internal Data. Much more than the data is worth lol. But its a better feeling to have his data on his own Harddrive than on Googles *g*</p> <p>But what shells. THe old Monster has to die anyway so the new one is still good for the Job. But it seems the new is getting unbeatable more and more.... </p> <p>again google scaes the shit out of me </p> One side its fine. ANd yes take Microsoft Market on anyway isnt a bad thing.

But to beat the one old Monster we create the new one. Google in the meanwhile scares the shit out of me. They are going to controll everything on the Net. And The Net is going to controll everything.

So is google the real alternative?

One Thing i dont like on the Google services (which i dont use except the search engine and maps). They are all on the Net without a real personalized Security. So for busniness needs hmm i dont like it.
We use 5 Security Rings aoround our internal Data. Much more than the data is worth lol. But its a better feeling to have his data on his own Harddrive than on Googles *g*

But what shells. THe old Monster has to die anyway so the new one is still good for the Job. But it seems the new is getting unbeatable more and more….

again google scaes the shit out of me

]]> By: gerlos http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/#comment-6712 gerlos Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/#comment-6712 <p>Interesting article. I didn\'t though about this points before.<br /> I agree that from the marketing point of view, a linux-based Google OS, like Android, will let the people know that\'s there\'s something different and that\'s worth trying it. </p> <p>But I think that we should be somehow careful instead than just happy when we read \"they make it open source\"... just remember that Chromium, the free (as in speech) brother of Chrome is still in beta, and not as easy to compile and test as you expect from an open source project. :-(</p> <p>I bet that they will follow the same way of doing also with their \"OS\": it will be open source, but it will be really difficult to work on it for people outside Google. So it is really open source? I\'m not sure.<br /> Almost, is not open source as KDE or other *real* open source project, where it\'s really easy to step in and start working on the code, or just understand how everything work.</p> <p>So I think the community should strive to take the best from this occasion, getting but shouldn\'t trust too much on Google. </p> Interesting article. I didn\’t though about this points before.
I agree that from the marketing point of view, a linux-based Google OS, like Android, will let the people know that\’s there\’s something different and that\’s worth trying it.

But I think that we should be somehow careful instead than just happy when we read \”they make it open source\”… just remember that Chromium, the free (as in speech) brother of Chrome is still in beta, and not as easy to compile and test as you expect from an open source project. :-(

I bet that they will follow the same way of doing also with their \”OS\”: it will be open source, but it will be really difficult to work on it for people outside Google. So it is really open source? I\’m not sure.
Almost, is not open source as KDE or other *real* open source project, where it\’s really easy to step in and start working on the code, or just understand how everything work.

So I think the community should strive to take the best from this occasion, getting but shouldn\’t trust too much on Google.

]]> By: iamonsite http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/#comment-6713 iamonsite Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/#comment-6713 <p>Do you trust Google? Well we\'ve all seen what happens when we\'ve trusted Microsoft after all these years. The ability of Google to assemble every shred of data about you already exists through all the footprints you leave on the web, despite what browser you use. A clearer comparison of the differences between your OS and browser of choice vs what they can already know about you would be in order.<br /> I see it as a model of forward thinking. Microsoft for years has pushed bloat as a partnership with the hardware selling folks. Why buy a new PC? Because the security updates and hardware drivers wont follow unless someone pays for new software.<br /> Google rightly sees the advance of solid state disks, and while the size of them may lag behind traditional hard drives for quite a while - a smaller OS will launch that much faster.<br /> There\'s already a blurring of the line between smart phones and computers. If they already have a phone OS is it that much of a stretch to add a few functions and offer it on a bigger screen?<br /> Critics always seem to point out the negative that may not apply for the niche that Google is entering. You probably aren\'t going to be editing Blue-Ray movies on a netbook - yet that lack of functionality seems to be the justification for sticking with Microsoft.<br /> Just as this big brother paranoia always rears its head. Seriously, do you think you\'re better off with active-X, dot-net and patch Tuesday? Bravo to to Google - the share price seems to reflect confidence in their management and I\'m confident their product will have a positive effect on the industry. </p> Do you trust Google? Well we\’ve all seen what happens when we\’ve trusted Microsoft after all these years. The ability of Google to assemble every shred of data about you already exists through all the footprints you leave on the web, despite what browser you use. A clearer comparison of the differences between your OS and browser of choice vs what they can already know about you would be in order.
I see it as a model of forward thinking. Microsoft for years has pushed bloat as a partnership with the hardware selling folks. Why buy a new PC? Because the security updates and hardware drivers wont follow unless someone pays for new software.
Google rightly sees the advance of solid state disks, and while the size of them may lag behind traditional hard drives for quite a while – a smaller OS will launch that much faster.
There\’s already a blurring of the line between smart phones and computers. If they already have a phone OS is it that much of a stretch to add a few functions and offer it on a bigger screen?
Critics always seem to point out the negative that may not apply for the niche that Google is entering. You probably aren\’t going to be editing Blue-Ray movies on a netbook – yet that lack of functionality seems to be the justification for sticking with Microsoft.
Just as this big brother paranoia always rears its head. Seriously, do you think you\’re better off with active-X, dot-net and patch Tuesday? Bravo to to Google – the share price seems to reflect confidence in their management and I\’m confident their product will have a positive effect on the industry.

]]> By: viralnexxus http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/#comment-6714 viralnexxus Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/#comment-6714 <p>I normally try to add my own insight and opinion whenever I read articles and posts such as these; but this was truly an amazing and well written article covering all the bases. This article here has just won me over for a subscription. That being said, I think the direction Canonical wanted to go with Linux, and their distribution Ubuntu; was blocked by vendors prepackaging Microsoft Windows and the lack of deeper pockets. Mr. Shuttleworth needs the help of Google, for better or for worse, if they are to succeed in taking down Microsoft. I can\'t wait to be there when the Giant is taken down! -VB </p> I normally try to add my own insight and opinion whenever I read articles and posts such as these; but this was truly an amazing and well written article covering all the bases. This article here has just won me over for a subscription. That being said, I think the direction Canonical wanted to go with Linux, and their distribution Ubuntu; was blocked by vendors prepackaging Microsoft Windows and the lack of deeper pockets. Mr. Shuttleworth needs the help of Google, for better or for worse, if they are to succeed in taking down Microsoft. I can\’t wait to be there when the Giant is taken down! -VB

]]> By: x95tobos http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/#comment-6715 x95tobos Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/#comment-6715 <p>Do not forget that you give away your intelectual property every time you use any of the so called \"free\" Google apps. I\'d rather stick with KOffice or OpenOffice, thank you very much ! Not to mention also, thin clients over a local LAN may well fly, but over a WAN it\'s just plain stupid. Don\'t let the CLOUD cloud your judgement (pun intended) </p> Do not forget that you give away your intelectual property every time you use any of the so called \”free\” Google apps. I\’d rather stick with KOffice or OpenOffice, thank you very much ! Not to mention also, thin clients over a local LAN may well fly, but over a WAN it\’s just plain stupid. Don\’t let the CLOUD cloud your judgement (pun intended)

]]> By: webprog http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/#comment-6716 webprog Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/#comment-6716 <p>It is definitely good that Google is interested in spending lot of their money on Linux. As history already shown, open source projects need money equally as commercial projects does. Linux development has sped up when companies like IBM, Dell, Intel, HP, Sun started to cooperate. Having google in this \"alliance\" might be very beneficial for Linux community. Linux has opportunity to become widely known OS, like today is M$ Windows. Next step is to fight the monster.</p> <p>Of course, everyone must be careful not to compromise its privacy. But Google is not worse than others. </p> It is definitely good that Google is interested in spending lot of their money on Linux. As history already shown, open source projects need money equally as commercial projects does. Linux development has sped up when companies like IBM, Dell, Intel, HP, Sun started to cooperate. Having google in this \”alliance\” might be very beneficial for Linux community. Linux has opportunity to become widely known OS, like today is M$ Windows. Next step is to fight the monster.

Of course, everyone must be careful not to compromise its privacy. But Google is not worse than others.

]]> By: digitalwiz http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/#comment-6717 digitalwiz Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/#comment-6717 <p>Umm, aren\'t we kind of missing the point of Open Source software here? As I recall, the point of Open Source is that software should be available to the community. So what\'s with all the paranoia?</p> <p>If Google is willing to commit to Linux, it seems to me that\'s a validation of Open Source that should be welcomed. Granted, there may be privacy issues to address, although I\'m not sure that\'s an OS problem. But why should we be looking at this as some kind of \"competition\"?</p> <p>In the Linux classes that I teach I make the point that Open Source is an example of how cooperation can sometimes produce a better result than competition. </p> Umm, aren\’t we kind of missing the point of Open Source software here? As I recall, the point of Open Source is that software should be available to the community. So what\’s with all the paranoia?

If Google is willing to commit to Linux, it seems to me that\’s a validation of Open Source that should be welcomed. Granted, there may be privacy issues to address, although I\’m not sure that\’s an OS problem. But why should we be looking at this as some kind of \”competition\”?

In the Linux classes that I teach I make the point that Open Source is an example of how cooperation can sometimes produce a better result than competition.

]]> By: a.sicofante http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/#comment-6718 a.sicofante Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/#comment-6718 <p>\"If there’s one thing that the multitude of Linux distributions shows, it’s that not everyone wants the same thing. Not everyone wants Windows. Not everyone wants an Android phone and not everyone will want Chrome OS. Some will (for some reason) stick with Windows, others will branch out and take on another Linux offering. This is certainly a turning point in computing history, one that shouldn’t be underrated.\"</p> <p>Yeah. Keep on dreaming. \"Some\" people will stick with Windows? \"Some\"???? If Windows has seen any erosion of its market share that\'s been the result of Apple\'s popularity and even that is very small. Linux is irrelevant on the desktop after so many years. Considering the share of single distributions like Ubuntu is just a joke.</p> <p>Almost everything about Google\'s OS is just speculation right now. We simply don\'t know enough, but Canonical et al better pray that this new OS doesn\'t allow ordinary desktop apps to run, or they\'ll be just dead... unlike Microsoft or Apple. </p> \”If there’s one thing that the multitude of Linux distributions shows, it’s that not everyone wants the same thing. Not everyone wants Windows. Not everyone wants an Android phone and not everyone will want Chrome OS. Some will (for some reason) stick with Windows, others will branch out and take on another Linux offering. This is certainly a turning point in computing history, one that shouldn’t be underrated.\”

Yeah. Keep on dreaming. \”Some\” people will stick with Windows? \”Some\”???? If Windows has seen any erosion of its market share that\’s been the result of Apple\’s popularity and even that is very small. Linux is irrelevant on the desktop after so many years. Considering the share of single distributions like Ubuntu is just a joke.

Almost everything about Google\’s OS is just speculation right now. We simply don\’t know enough, but Canonical et al better pray that this new OS doesn\’t allow ordinary desktop apps to run, or they\’ll be just dead… unlike Microsoft or Apple.

]]> By: csmart http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/#comment-6719 csmart Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/#comment-6719 <p>Google can\'t really make Chrome OS a second rate citizen on Linux, because it _is_ Linux. So the current abysmal situation with Chromium can\'t be repeated. Anything they ship they must release code for, which means we all benefit straight away.</p> <p>If you don\'t trust Google, then you don\'t have to use any of their products. The improvements they make will be made available to you in your distribution of choice anyway, which is the beauty of it. The same thing that has happened with Moblin.</p> <p>-c </p> Google can\’t really make Chrome OS a second rate citizen on Linux, because it _is_ Linux. So the current abysmal situation with Chromium can\’t be repeated. Anything they ship they must release code for, which means we all benefit straight away.

If you don\’t trust Google, then you don\’t have to use any of their products. The improvements they make will be made available to you in your distribution of choice anyway, which is the beauty of it. The same thing that has happened with Moblin.

-c

]]> By: bruceboyes http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/#comment-6720 bruceboyes Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7425/#comment-6720 <p>Thanks for an article which covered a lot of bases and was very thoughtful - and thought-provoking. I share some of the security concerns, but there should be a solution to those. I just bought an HTC G1 developer phone, in part to address this (but it\'s great if someone beats me to it and I can just buy the solution!). What I would like for my personal smartphone (for my PIM I currently Palm Desktop 4.2 and a Palm Centro, just moving from a Palm T|X) is a way to securely synch from my phone to multiple PCs, with all the data local on those PCs or my office server, with encryption if I want it. Then I want <em>selective data</em> shared with the Google cloud apps. There are shades of this now - private delicious bookmarks for example. At the moment the Google apps are still way too klunky and restricted compared to the desktop versions I use daily. And when I do choose to share data with the cloud apps I want to be able to use <em>encryption</em> so that even if there is a leak at Google my data content is not compromised. </p> <p>It seems this this solution would be built as a combination of mobile, desktop, and Google cloud apps. Java (or something else on top of the JVM - Scala?) is a natural choice to implement this since it could work in all these places and on multiple platforms. <strong>Anyone want to collaborate on this?</strong> </p> Thanks for an article which covered a lot of bases and was very thoughtful – and thought-provoking. I share some of the security concerns, but there should be a solution to those. I just bought an HTC G1 developer phone, in part to address this (but it\’s great if someone beats me to it and I can just buy the solution!). What I would like for my personal smartphone (for my PIM I currently Palm Desktop 4.2 and a Palm Centro, just moving from a Palm T|X) is a way to securely synch from my phone to multiple PCs, with all the data local on those PCs or my office server, with encryption if I want it. Then I want selective data shared with the Google cloud apps. There are shades of this now – private delicious bookmarks for example. At the moment the Google apps are still way too klunky and restricted compared to the desktop versions I use daily. And when I do choose to share data with the cloud apps I want to be able to use encryption so that even if there is a leak at Google my data content is not compromised.

It seems this this solution would be built as a combination of mobile, desktop, and Google cloud apps. Java (or something else on top of the JVM – Scala?) is a natural choice to implement this since it could work in all these places and on multiple platforms. Anyone want to collaborate on this?

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