By: yougotrooted

yougotrooted — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

When Robbins left, the people controlling gentoo ruined it. There was no longer a vision, just a bunch of dudes fighting.

By: csmart

csmart — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

This does appear to be a common feeling among the community. I wonder what Gentoo developers are thinking..

-c

By: jshanab

jshanab — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

I use Gentoo on 6 machines. While I admit it is not as great as the initial experience I had with it, I still prefer it over the ununtu and fedora based distro\'s that I also use daily. (I run mostly a monolithic kernel with one module loaded at boot, Not initrd)
What may be misleading on many sites that like to put out stats on distro popularity is the difference a source distro has on those stats. I never downloaded from distrowatch. I continuously upgrade the machines. What has bitten me was the choice to remove packages and clean out the portage tree so aggressively. I ended up with difficulty updating machines left updated too long. I think and auto fallback to archive servers could of increased sync speed and still allowed the occasional machine to get up to date easily.
I have some ideas to help out and someday I want to contribute, to give back more than just on the forums.

By: slackline

slackline — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Been using Gentoo for something like five years now. Have installed on SPARC x86 ARM and more recently PPC (Playstation 3) and x86_64.

Portage is a delight to work with none of the circular dependency hell that bothered me with RedHat6.1 and easy to clean out packages and dependencies unlike Slackware (which I moved to from RH after one too many circular dependency hair-pulling session!).

I don\’t think the stats on stable packages are overly important or fair (but then I run testing(/unstable) on all but PPC) as new packages/updates appear in testing/unstable relatively quickly.

There has been a lot to change the perception of Gentoo of late, not only is there more activity on the front page and the amalgamation of various developers blog posts, but also the development of documentation to aid those intererested in becoming a developer (see http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml ).

The forums have remained as active as they\’ve ever been, and there are regular updates and patches to lots and lots of packages. I don\’t see why any distribution has to \”be seen\” to be \”alive\”, the activity is there if you get involved!!

By: jjss

jjss — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

The author treats the subject unprofessionally. Gentoo is not for masses, it\'s rather a tool to build an ecosystem, composed from dozens of machines. I see no reason to post misleading statistics, like how now KDE, GNOME in distro is, while not posting real advantages of the system. I got 6 hundred routers based on Gentoo and guess what, surprisingly I see no reason to install KDE on them.

There is plenty features which differ Gentoo from standard distribution and treating it as it was usual half-year-lasting Ubuntu is just horribly wrong.

Having said this, if you don\'t mind, I would put in my 2 cents and describe something which is *not* available through any other package manager in *any* of the distro the author is aware of.

simply, the Linux Kernel. We in Gentoo have six or seven *branches* and about 90 versions of kernel, including dozens of stable. This is what people *need* and *use*.

* sys-freebsd/freebsd-sources
Available versions:
(6.2-r5) ~*6.2-r5!b!s
(7.1-r1) ~*7.1-r1!b!s
(7.2) ~*7.2!b!s
(7.2-r1) ~*7.2-r1!b!s
(7.2-r2) ~*7.2-r2!b!s
{symlink}
Homepage: http://www.freebsd.org/
Description: FreeBSD kernel sources

* sys-kernel/cell-sources
Available versions:
(2.6.18-r6) ~*2.6.18-r6!b!s
(2.6.19_rc5-r1) ~*2.6.19_rc5-r1!b!s
(2.6.19_rc6-r1) ~*2.6.19_rc6-r1!b!s
(2.6.24-r1) ~*2.6.24-r1!b!s
{build symlink}
Homepage: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/geoff/cell/ps3-linux/
Description: Full sources including the cell/ps3 patchset for the 2.6 kernel tree

[I] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources
Available versions:
(2.6.16-r13) 2.6.16-r13!b!s
(2.6.25-r9) ~2.6.25-r9!b!s
(2.6.26-r4) 2.6.26-r4!b!s
(2.6.27-r8) 2.6.27-r8!b!s
(2.6.27-r10) ~2.6.27-r10!b!s
(2.6.28-r5) 2.6.28-r5!b!s
(2.6.28-r6) ~2.6.28-r6!b!s
(2.6.29) ~2.6.29!b!s
(2.6.29-r1) ~2.6.29-r1!b!s
(2.6.29-r2) ~2.6.29-r2!b!s
(2.6.29-r3) ~2.6.29-r3!b!s
(2.6.29-r4) ~2.6.29-r4!b!s
(2.6.29-r5) 2.6.29-r5!b!s
(2.6.29-r6) ~2.6.29-r6!b!s
(2.6.30) ~2.6.30!b!s
(2.6.30-r3) ~2.6.30-r3!b!s
(2.6.30-r4) 2.6.30-r4!b!s
(2.6.30-r5) 2.6.30-r5!b!s
(2.6.30-r6) ~2.6.30-r6!b!s
(2.6.30-r7) ~2.6.30-r7!b!s
(2.6.30-r8) ~2.6.30-r8!b!s
(2.6.31) ~2.6.31!b!s
(2.6.31-r1) ~2.6.31-r1!b!s
(2.6.31-r2) ~2.6.31-r2!b!s
(2.6.31-r3) ~2.6.31-r3!b!s
{build symlink ultra1}
Installed versions: 2.6.30-r4(2.6.30-r4)!b!s(21:29:40 08/16/09)(-build -symlink)
2.6.30-r5(2.6.30-r5)!b!s(00:43:29 10/04/09)(-build -symlink)
Homepage: http://dev.gentoo.org/~dsd/genpatches
Description: Full sources including the Gentoo patchset for the 2.6 kernel tree

* sys-kernel/git-sources
Available versions:
(2.6.32_rc1) ~2.6.32_rc1!b!s
(2.6.32_rc1-r1) ~2.6.32_rc1-r1!b!s
(2.6.32_rc1-r2) ~2.6.32_rc1-r2!b!s
(2.6.32_rc1-r3) ~2.6.32_rc1-r3!b!s
(2.6.32_rc1-r4) ~2.6.32_rc1-r4!b!s
(2.6.32_rc1-r5) ~2.6.32_rc1-r5!b!s
(2.6.32_rc1-r6) ~2.6.32_rc1-r6!b!s
(2.6.32_rc1-r7) ~2.6.32_rc1-r7!b!s
(2.6.32_rc3-r1) ~2.6.32_rc3-r1!b!s
(2.6.32_rc3-r2) ~2.6.32_rc3-r2!b!s
(2.6.32_rc3-r3) ~2.6.32_rc3-r3!b!s
(2.6.32_rc4-r1) ~2.6.32_rc4-r1!b!s
(2.6.32_rc4-r2) ~2.6.32_rc4-r2!b!s
(2.6.32_rc4-r3) ~2.6.32_rc4-r3!b!s
(2.6.32_rc4-r4) ~2.6.32_rc4-r4!b!s
(2.6.32_rc4-r5) ~2.6.32_rc4-r5!b!s
{build symlink}
Homepage: http://www.kernel.org
Description: The very latest -git version of the Linux kernel

* sys-kernel/hardened-sources
Available versions:
(2.6.25-r13) 2.6.25-r13!b!s
(2.6.26-r9) 2.6.26-r9!b!s
(2.6.28-r7) 2.6.28-r7!b!s
(2.6.28-r9) 2.6.28-r9!b!s
(2.6.29) ~2.6.29!b!s
{build symlink}
Homepage: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/hardened/
Description: Hardened kernel sources (kernel series 2.6)

* sys-kernel/mips-sources
Available versions:
(2.6.27) ~*2.6.27.21-r1!b!s
(2.6.28) ~*2.6.28.9-r1!b!s
(2.6.29) ~*2.6.29.1!b!s
{build cobalt impactdebug ip27 ip28 ip30 ip32r10k symlink}
Homepage: http://www.linux-mips.org/ http://www.gentoo.org/
Description: Linux-Mips GIT sources for MIPS-based machines, dated 20090324

* sys-kernel/mm-sources
Available versions: (2.6.28_rc2-r1) ~2.6.28_rc2-r1!b!s
{build symlink}
Homepage: http://www.kernel.org/ http://www.gentoo.org/
Description: Andrew Morton\'s kernel, mostly fixes for 2.6 vanilla, some vm stuff too

* sys-kernel/openvz-sources
Available versions:
(2.6.18.028.064.7) ~2.6.18.028.064.7!b!s
(2.6.27-briullov.1-r2) 2.6.27.2.1-r2!b!s
(2.6.27-briullov.1-r3) [M]~2.6.27.2.1-r3!b!s
(2.6.27.9999) [M]**2.6.27.9999!b!s
{build symlink}
Homepage: http://openvz.org/
Description: Kernel sources with OpenVZ patchset

* sys-kernel/sh-sources
Available versions:
(2.6.13) *2.6.13!b!s
(2.6.14) *2.6.14!b!s
(2.6.15) *2.6.15!b!s
(2.6.16.20) *2.6.16.20!b!s
{build symlink}
Homepage: http://dev.gentoo.org/~dsd/genpatches
Description: Full SuperH sources including the gentoo patchset for the 2.6 kernel tree

* sys-kernel/sparc-sources
Available versions: (2.4.34) *2.4.34!b!s
{build symlink ultra1}
Homepage: http://www.kernel.org/ http://www.gentoo.org
Description: Full sources for the Gentoo Sparc Linux kernel

* sys-kernel/tuxonice-sources
Available versions:
(2.6.28-r10) 2.6.28-r10!b!s
(2.6.28-r11) ~2.6.28-r11!b!s
(2.6.29-r4) ~2.6.29-r4!b!s
(2.6.30-r6) ~2.6.30-r6!b!s
(2.6.31) ~2.6.31!b!s
{build symlink}
Homepage: http://dev.gentoo.org/~dsd/genpatches/ http://www.tuxonice.net
Description: TuxOnIce + Gentoo patchset sources

* sys-kernel/usermode-sources
Available versions:
(2.6.16-r3) ~2.6.16-r3!b!s
(2.6.16-r4) ~2.6.16-r4!b!s
(2.6.16-r5) ~2.6.16-r5!b!s
(2.6.18) ~2.6.18!b!s
(2.6.18-r1) ~2.6.18-r1!b!s
(2.6.18-r2) ~2.6.18-r2!b!s
{build symlink}
Homepage: http://www.kernel.org/ http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net
Description: Full sources for the User Mode Linux kernel

[D] sys-kernel/vanilla-sources
Available versions:
(2.4.37) (~)2.4.37!b!s
(2.4.37.5) (~)2.4.37.5!b!s
(2.6.16.62) (~)2.6.16.62!b!s
(2.6.19.7) 2.6.19.7!b!s
(2.6.23.17) 2.6.23.17!b!s
(2.6.24.7) 2.6.24.7!b!s
(2.6.25.20) (~)2.6.25.20!b!s
(2.6.26.7) 2.6.26.7!b!s
(2.6.26.8) (~)2.6.26.8!b!s
(2.6.27.10) 2.6.27.10!b!s
(2.6.27.12) (~)2.6.27.12!b!s
(2.6.27.31) (~)2.6.27.31!b!s
(2.6.27.32) (~)2.6.27.32!b!s
(2.6.27.33) (~)2.6.27.33!b!s
(2.6.27.34) (~)2.6.27.34!b!s
(2.6.27.35) (~)2.6.27.35!b!s
(2.6.27.36) (~)2.6.27.36!b!s
(2.6.27.37) (~)2.6.27.37!b!s
(2.6.28) (~)2.6.28!b!s
(2.6.28.9) 2.6.28.9!b!s
(2.6.28.10) (~)2.6.28.10!b!s
(2.6.29) (~)2.6.29!b!s
(2.6.29.4) 2.6.29.4!b!s
(2.6.29.5) (~)2.6.29.5!b!s
(2.6.29.6) (~)2.6.29.6!b!s
(2.6.30) (~)2.6.30!b!s
(2.6.30.3) 2.6.30.3!b!s
(2.6.30.5) (~)2.6.30.5!b!s
(2.6.30.6) (~)2.6.30.6!b!s
(2.6.30.7) (~)2.6.30.7!b!s
(2.6.30.8) (~)2.6.30.8!b!s
(2.6.30.9) (~)2.6.30.9!b!s
(2.6.31) (~)2.6.31!b!s
(2.6.31.1) (~)2.6.31.1!b!s
(2.6.31.2) (~)2.6.31.2!b!s
(2.6.31.3) (~)2.6.31.3!b!s
(2.6.31.4) (~)2.6.31.4!b!s
(2.6.32_rc1) (~)2.6.32_rc1!b!s
(2.6.32_rc3) (~)2.6.32_rc3!b!s
(2.6.32_rc4) (~)2.6.32_rc4!b!s
(2.6.32_rc5) (~)2.6.32_rc5!b!s
{build symlink}
Installed versions: 2.6.29_rc8(2.6.29_rc8)!b!s(19:11:29 03/22/09)(-build -symlink)
2.6.29.4(2.6.29.4)!b!s(01:23:19 07/20/09)(-build -symlink)
2.6.30.5(2.6.30.5)!b!s(21:10:42 08/19/09)(-build -symlink)
2.6.32_rc1(2.6.32_rc1)!b!s(01:03:04 10/04/09)(-build -symlink)
2.6.32_rc3(2.6.32_rc3)!b!s(22:19:28 10/10/09)(-build -symlink)
2.6.32_rc4(2.6.32_rc4)!b!s(21:47:08 10/13/09)(-build -symlink)
2.6.32_rc5(2.6.32_rc5)!b!s(23:19:49 10/18/09)(-build -symlink)
Homepage: http://www.kernel.org
Description: Full sources for the Linux kernel

* sys-kernel/vserver-sources
Available versions:
(2.2.0.7) 2.2.0.7!b!s
(2.2.0.7-r1) ~2.2.0.7-r1!b!s
(2.3.0.36.14-r1) [M]~2.3.0.36.14-r1!b!s
(2.3.0.36.19) [M]~2.3.0.36.19!b!s
{build symlink}
Homepage: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/vps/
Description: Full sources including Gentoo and Linux-VServer patchsets for the 2.6 kernel tree.

* sys-kernel/xbox-sources
Available versions: (2.6.16.26) ~*2.6.16.26!b!s
{build symlink}
Homepage: http://www.kernel.org/ http://www.gentoo.org/
Description: Full sources for the Xbox Linux kernel

* sys-kernel/xen-sources
Available versions:
(2.6.18-r11) ~2.6.18-r11!b!s
(2.6.18-r12) ~2.6.18-r12!b!s
(2.6.20-r7) [M]~2.6.20-r7!b!s
(2.6.21) [M]~2.6.21!b!s
{build symlink}
Homepage: http://xen.org/
Description: Full sources for a dom0/domU Linux kernel to run under Xen

Aren\'t you fed up yet? ;-)

Comments on: Gentoo: “We’re Not Dead”

By: yougotrooted

By: csmart

By: jshanab

By: slackline

By: jjss