Proprietary Software and Linux: Good, Bad or Somewhere in Between?

Canonical is looking into selling proprietary software like Adobe's Photoshop and Apple's iTunes within its distribution, Ubuntu. This would undoubtedly be helpful for certain end users wanting to switch to Linux, but is it good for free software in the long run?

The introduction of the Ubuntu Software Center (originally named “Ubuntu Software Store”) into the recent Karmic Koala 9.10 release is a move towards creating a central interface for managing applications.

The original name was changed from “Store” to “Center” because it invoked images of selling software. Strange for a free Linux distribution.

Now however, that might not have been too far from the truth. Indeed, the plans for the Software Center indicate that by the 10.10 release (that’s the 10th month of 2010 for those who aren’t aware of the versioning scheme) it will be possible to purchase software.

Before this however, the upcoming 10.04 release should see the Software Center replace a majority of the existing package managers, including GNOME App Install, Gdebi and Synaptic. It should also replace the Update Manager and Software Sources for configuring repositories. By the April release of 2011, the application should be feature complete.

All of that sounds really good. A single, neat, easy to use interface would be a great addition to the desktop.

The Way Forward?

Canonical is definitely aligning itself to selling software. It’s nothing new though, it does it already for software like media codecs, DVD player support and, strangely enough, virtualization software. Commercial codec packs have been available through various distributions for a long time, as a way for end users to legitimately access their data without potentially violating software patents.

Now however, it appears that they are gearing up for something more. The reach is being extended and Ubuntu is asking for your input on which proprietary applications you would like to see made available in the distribution.

“We are trying to gather preferences for the apps that users would like to see in upcoming version of Ubuntu. While we all believe in the power of open source applications we are also very keen that users should get to choose the software they want to use. There are some great apps that aren’t yet available to Ubuntu users and Canonical would like to know the priority that users would like to see them.”

These are not proprietary applications to be included by default, but rather those which can be easily installed via official repositories. That’s right, presumable via the official “Partner” repository.

Considering that the list includes applications like Adobe Photoshop, that’s an interesting proposition. A user could, presumably, purchase a copy of Adobe Photoshop via the Ubuntu Software Center, which will configure the appropriate repository, download and install the application. Voilà!

There is no native Linux version of Photoshop, so this will most likely need to be run via Wine (Wine Is Not An Emulator), a free software implementation of the Windows API. There are several commercial products based on Wine, and one in particular is CrossOver, from Codeweavers. This company builds support for Windows programs into Wine and sells support for it. These improvements are then fed upstream, back into the Wine project.

In fact, “Codeweavers” is also on the list and CrossOver already supports Photoshop (version 6 through to CS2). Could it be that the Ubuntu Software Center will also be a front end for installing and removing packages seamlessly for use with CrossOver? Maybe so. Steam, World of Warcraft and Google’s Picasa, all of which are on the list too, are already supported under Wine.

Other applications on the list include Apple’s iTunes, one very popular application world wide which has no presence on the Linux desktop. Skype is also on the list, for which an Ubuntu package already exists.

At present, this survey is just a question of which applications users would like to see easily installable in Ubuntu. Perhaps these will use Wine, perhaps they will be native applications. At this stage just what this will entail, is not certain.

The Same Old Story

It’s easy to see why a distribution such as Ubuntu would want to enable support for popular proprietary software. The lack of ability to run popular Windows software on Linux impedes some users from making the move to free software.

We’ve all been there.

A friend’s Windows computer got a virus and you’ve been called to clean up the mess. They ask about this “Linux thing” you’ve been using. “It’s fast, stable, secure, free and best of all, doesn’t get viruses or spyware,” you point out.

“Sounds great!” the friend says. “Will it run Photoshop? I really need Photoshop.”

Uh oh. No, it doesn’t run Photoshop. In fact, generally speaking it doesn’t run any Windows software (well technically speaking you could get Photoshop and some others working under Wine). In this regard, it’s like a Mac. “There are lots of great free alternatives though, like the GIMP and Krita which you could learn how to use,” you meekly reply. However, the friend is perhaps reluctant to learn, doesn’t like the look of them, they don’t support the features they need – a dozen different reason. So they stick with Windows (which leaves you to fix their computer next time it dies).

What if that user could switch to Linux because Photoshop did run on Linux? What would that change?

On some level it would be fantastic to say, “Don’t worry, Photoshop runs perfectly on Linux! You can continue to use all those proprietary apps you need.” On another level, it’s also sad. It’s sad because if people understood the principles behind free software and why it’s a better way, perhaps they would be more willing to give free software replacements a try. Someone who wants to stick with their proprietary software, just doesn’t quite get it.

If all someone wants is a no-cost operating system, without understanding or caring about any of the philosophical elements behind it, what kind of future are we breeding?

Next: A Question of World View

Comments on "Proprietary Software and Linux: Good, Bad or Somewhere in Between?"

lelnet

\”If all someone wants is a no-cost operating system, without understanding or caring about any of the philosophical elements behind it, what kind of future are we breeding?\”

If this hypothetical friend cared primarily about a \”no-cost operating system\”, they wouldn\’t install Linux, they\’d pirate Windoze.

Just because a person doesn\’t care about free-as-in-speech doesn\’t mean their primary desire out of Linux is free-as-in-beer. For most Linux users of my acquaintance (including the hypothetical friend in question in the article, I should say) they might or might not be provisionally on-board with \”software should be more open when practical\” in abstract principle, but they\’re not ready to drink the Kool-Aid and join the FSF religion. Mostly, they care about things like reliability, security, and performance; areas where Linux is widely known to excel.

And I\’m sorry, but in some application spaces, Linux is not ready to compete right now. GIMP is a fine API for calling by other graphical tools, but it is not a practical Photoshop substitute for people whose need for Photoshop is professional in nature. There is NO effective open source substitute for Illustrator, even for amateur part-time Illustrator users. Even some relatively simple Windoze software (like one of my favorites, PolyView) has no fully-suitable substitute under Linux that doesn\’t come with annoying UI brokenness.

And if our community\’s response to the new user who misses his favorite application software is \”you\’ll have to adopt our religion\’s new moral strictures about software development even though you\’re not a programmer and have no reason to care one way or the other, and also learn to use our sometimes-inadequate substitutes, or else we don\’t want to hear you\”, he\’s going to turn away from the strengths of Linux and renew his commitment to the Borg.

I was grateful when Google ported Picasa to Linux (which makes me wonder why Canonical would feel any need to do it again under Wine), even though it\’s not \”Free Software\”. If the Inkscape team ever builds something that can do for me what Illustrator already does, I\’ll be grateful for that too. And if Gwenview ever fixes the UI and performance brokenness and enables me to give up PolyView, I may finally go through with my long-time promise to throw away my last non-virtualized Windoze box. (Sorry, I\’m a web developer…I need at least one Windoze image to test my sites under IE.)

Until that day comes, though, any progress that Canonical (or anyone else) makes toward making these tools work under Linux is progress that gets me and people like me moved in the direction of less dependency on Windoze. Which, last I checked, is what the Linux community really needs.

\”Out of the box\” support for the high-quality application software users care about helps. Preaching to the choir about software morality just turns everybody else off.

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desnotes

If Canonical can increase usage by implementing Wine and/or CodeWeavers, I believe native versions of the applications won\’t be far behind. Using Photoshop & iTunes as examples, Apple would probably port iTunes to Linux before Adobe would port Photoshop but at some point it will happen.

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tlahtopil

Now that application deveopment is quite mature, more than support for propietary applications, what the Linux usersphere needs is full support for their propietary file formats (ie, CMY PSD for Photoshop, AI and INDD compatible up to CS2). Most of the functions you miss in Gimp, Inkscape or Scribus are not essential to your job, but de facto standard file formats are a must to be competitive.

Of course, that does not take away the joy it will be to have native Linux versions for those excelent, long-running propietary apps.

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dragonwisard

I think this is yet another false dichotomy. Just because you like the Free and Open Source Software philosophies doesn\’t mean you have to completely exclude proprietary software. Proprietary software isn\’t as evil as RMS and the Stallmanists would have you believe. It\’s just a different business model.

There is a lot of good software out there that never would have been written if someone wasn\’t getting paid to sit down an work on it. (This is especially true in those cases where the population of end users does not include any programmers.) And in general proprietary software is more polished because fixing bugs is less glamorous than working on the next killer feature.

Of course I would love if all software was released under a FOSS license, but despite the Stallmanist dogma that simply isn\’t practical for all situations. Some developers want to be reimbursed monetarily for their efforts and I see nothing wrong with that.

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dragonwisard

@desnotes: I\’ve seen many companies look at it from a different perspective. \”If our application works in Wine, why should we hire developers and support staff to port it to Linux?\”

The cost of supporting Linux is usually disproportionate to the percentage of Linux users.

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lelnet

\”Most of the functions you miss in Gimp, Inkscape or Scribus are not essential to your job\”

This is the attitude that\’s problematic.

You don\’t know me. You don\’t know what my job is. You don\’t know what functionality I use, or even the specific nature of my complaints with these tools (although you might or might not be able to make good guesses based on reading enough of what other people complain about). And yet, simply because I point out in public that certain open-source would-be substitutes for popular proprietary applications are not actually acceptable substitutes at all, you presume to tell me what\’s \”essential to my job\” and what isn\’t.

Take office suites, as a different example.

I use OpenOffice exclusively. Even when I\’m running on Windoze, I don\’t have MS Office installed. It has no features that I need and can\’t get more easily, reliably, and yes cheaply from OO. But I\’m prepared to recognize that the set of features _I_ need from an office suite are not precisely the same as the set of features _everybody_ needs from an office suite. Not everyone whose desires are different than mine is some weirdo feature-fetishist counting up features off a bullet-pointed list and proclaiming the longest list to represent the better product, whether they care about the contents or not.

As was written about elsewhere, for example, most people don\’t care about an easy and transparent \”word count\” feature in a word processor. But print journalists need to track that, and a word processor that lacks it is not a substitute for one that has it, for them. If MS Word has it and OpenOffice Writer doesn\’t, it does no one (and certainly not the open source community) any good to deride the journalist for bemoaning it\’s lack, and tell him he doesn\’t really NEED word counting. Clearly, he does. Or at least he thinks he does, and since he\’s the one making the decision about which software to install, what he thinks counts and what you think doesn\’t.

(For the record, not being a journalist, I have no idea if OO Writer has a decent word count feature these days or not. I don\’t use that feature either. But it makes a very relevant example, because at least at some point in the past when the Linux community was saying OO was a complete substitute for MS Office, it didn\’t have one.)

So no, don\’t assume you know what all the users of proprietary apps need from them. If you\’re part of the coding team for a would-be substitute app in open source (and thus possibly in a position to actually help move the substitute into a better direction), feel free to ask. Otherwise, it\’s probably better to just deal with the fact that a lot of people still depend on some proprietary software, and help Linux more effectively accomodate those people.

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dwains

I would happily pay Canonical or Intuit if I could get Quicken for Linux. This story pretty much describes my situation; just substitute Quicken for Photoshop. In fact, lack of being able to run Quicken is likely going to end my \”Linux as my main system\” experiment that started in October. I will probably be buying a new Mac or Win7 so I can get Quicken to operate again.

At the end of the day, apps are always more important than operating systems.

Dwain

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wweng_linux

@lelnet: if you can correctly spell the word \”windows\”, maybe then your argument will be taken seriously, rather than gibberish from a high school student who just heard of Linux and FOSS first time in his life.

Just in case you aren\’t one…

===== lelnet wrote =====

This is the attitude that\’s problematic.

You don\’t know me. You don\’t know what my job is. You don\’t know what functionality I use, or even the specific nature of my complaints with these tools (although you might or might not be able to make good guesses based on reading enough of what other people complain about). And yet, simply because I point out in public that certain open-source would-be substitutes for popular proprietary applications are not actually acceptable substitutes at all, you presume to tell me what\’s \”essential to my job\” and what isn\’t.

=====

We all have brain and can use it. It is pretty obvious that \”Most of the functions you miss in Gimp, Inkscape or Scribus are not essential to your job\”, or you would have given an example of a missing function in said OSS that is essential to your job already.

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snowfarthing

While I appreciate what Richard Stallman has done for Free Software, there are two things that he fails to take into account:

1. We should have the freedom to attempt to keep our software as a trade secret–ie, to distribute it as binaries–so long as we don\’t put restrictions on others as to what happens to those binaries.

2. While patents and copyrights exist, the Free Software Movement needs to coexist with such things. That means that under certain conditions Linux needs to run licensed, proprietary software.

I respect Richard Stallman\’s determination to only use Free Software…but if you accept point #1, then it doesn\’t make sense to have that same determination! I also happen to be completely against copyright and patents, however, so I would be an advocate of doing whatever you want to any binary you receive–copy it, reverse engineer it, or whatever. Unfortunately the current legal environment makes this impractical!

Even though I consider copyright and patent laws immoral (I won\’t go into the reasons; it took two books to convince me of this), the reality is that while these laws exist, and public sentiment supports these laws, breaking them will expose you to legal consequences that I, for one, would rather not be exposed to!

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gordtulloch

To me the really critical goal at this point in the evolution of Linux is to push towards a tipping point where commercial vendors will see Linux as a market they need to address, and make addressing that market as easy as possible.

For example, people bemoan the lack of native software, but in reality there\’s an intermediate state where if we can introduce a revenue stream for vendors, they will begin to TEST their apps under WINE. They can then either FIX the problems with their apps, or tell the WINE maintainers what needs to be fixed to make their apps work better. The vendor opens up a new revenue stream for LINUX only users, they future proof their development in case of a major move away from Microsoft (we wish!) and Linux users get some mature apps that meet their needs.

Really, to me one thing holding Linux back is the religiously anti-closed source crowd. Purism is not a productive philosophy when you\’re in a very small minority unless you wish to stay that way…

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lelnet

\”gibberish from a high school student who just heard of Linux and FOSS first time in his life\”

Yeah. Real mature, there.

If it matters to you, my first Linux install was SLS, back in the days of the beta kernels, and I\’ve been a unix admin since before Linus first had the idea to develop his own unix-based OS kernel. And I\’ve been out of high school longer than a whole lot of the current developer group of major open source projects has been alive.

But if that matters to you, I have to ask…why?

Even if your ad hominem fallacy were based on correct facts rather than incorrect suppositions, it still doesn\’t address the fact that even if Inkscape (the example I originally used) might technically be capable of doing the jobs I\’ve repeatedly tried and failed to do with it, it is not discoverable or transparent. (If you\’re not clear what I mean by \”discoverable\” or \”transparent\”, see http://catb.org/~esr/writings/taouu/html/ch01s01.html for ESR\’s explanation.) For the end user who needs to perform a task that he knows Illustrator can do, doesn\’t know for sure that Inkscape can do, and can\’t find any information about…well, even if you can convince him to try Inkscape, I guarantee he\’ll give up before he gets the job done. Result? Inkscape loses. And as long as Illustrator won\’t run under Linux, Linux loses too, no matter how much the user resents having to fight Microsoft bugs in the OS.

Now, you can go on supposing I\’m some arrogant newbie fresh out of high school if that\’s what rocks your boat. It\’s a free country, and it\’s full of people who believe things even sillier than that. But don\’t imagine you\’re doing the cause of Linux any favors by presuming there\’s no difference between someone who mocks the OS from Borg, and someone who doesn\’t know how to spell the word for a glass-filled hole in a wall.

HTH. HAND.

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johnbat

I believe that as long as standards are open that it doesn\’t matter if Linux programs are open or closed source. As an example, several years ago I bought a copy of the Xess spreadsheet. It works and I still use it, but I use free software as well. To me the Linux OS is more important than the software I use.

I also believe that forums such as this would be more productive if they did not descend into personal attacks. Well said telnet!

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golding

Anybody else noticed there have been more and more articles without by-lines?

I mean, I would take this article much more seriously if I knew who wrote it!

Meanwhile, I take the road of RMS, as another person of principle, I too, live by them.

Reminds me of an old saying; \”Will those who say it can\’t be done please stop interrupting those of us doing it!\” For some years I worked as a production manager at a magazine editing and marketing company. While the others were telling me it couldn\’t be done without either a Mac or Photoshop, I was content to do it anyway on my Linux/GNU machine (I put Linux first as the kernel has to be up before the GNU part can work).

As for the many that harangue me with sorry stories to try and get me to \’fix\’ their Windows machines, I tell them all, \”Sorry, I don\’t do windows!\” I started to say that about a year ago after I got sick of \’fixing\’ the same machines over and over again. Life has been so much more peaceful now I only work on friends and families *nix machines. Yes, I have convinced many to switch, some only because they don\’t like to pay so much to retailers to \’fix\’ the Windows machines. Eventually they admit the experience on Linux/GNU is far superior to what they had before.

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boottux

Let\’s start with the following proposition:

The graphical interface was designed so that more people could use computers without knowing or understanding technical information.

The driving force in computing (personal computing anyway) has been broad reach. Until recently, Apple and Microsoft were the only one\’s left standing from the desktop wars of the past littered with discarded brands and operating systems (check any search engine to see what used to be). Of course it was the imprimatur given by IBM\’s adoption of Microsoft for its personal operating system and the subsequent tidal wave of development which resulted in the presence of so many application options that drove users to Windows as well as their desire to make a safe technical choice (something that has a strong influence when there is uncertainty in technology). Microsoft\’s price advantage vis a vis Apple certainly didn\’t hurt either.

We should not forget that the success of Microsoft began in the business community not in the consumer market. Business adopted MSDOS and subsequent Windows interfaces which led to it being the choice for consumers. Apple with it\’s strong presence in education and colleges was hoping to get future business people to consider Apple as they moved into the business world but it didn\’t happen. In fact, Apple continued to decline as a % of market share.

With business flocking to Microsoft and consumers using what they were exposed to in business, Apple became as an interface a specialized machine for artists and print shops and an icon of a \”counter culture revolution\” mindset for those who liked to think of themselves as individualistic. But that was just advertising propaganda. The agenda for both Apple and Microsoft however was not revolution but making money.

Today we see again that it is the business world which is driving the adoption of free software. Linux became what Unix users in the back room of IT shops wanted. An unencumbered Unix. Those who have been around long enough probably remember all the attempts that were made by computer companies to standardize some version of Unix. Each computer company put out their own proprietary versions, Xenix, HPUX, AIX designed either to run on a variety of proprietary hardware platforms or on high end pcs. They were able to charge handsomely for it and not all were successful (Microsoft\’s version Xenix went nowhere) but in the end there was really no difference between a version of Unix that wasn\’t from AT&T or SCO or whoever owned that trademark at any particular time and proprietary software running on clients like Windows or Apple.

Richard Stallman was a believer in unencumbered software and set the legal framework (a license) under which software could be released and be unencumbered by patents. Once Linus Torvalds added a kernel to Stallman\’s previously released operating system components, the Unix guys and developers in IT (the computer cognoscenti) had what they needed. The rest is history.

The opening of the internet by the U.S. Congress to the public changed everything. The TCP/IP communication protocol which was native to the net was also the native communication protocol of Unix/Linux. There was no need for some middleware (NetBios) translation to some other protocol. Microsoft wanted the back end server market but found it couldn\’t compete with an operating systems whose native communication protocol was the same as the internet\’s, had free source code and could be customized for any purpose. Linux took off and became the tool of choice for \”internet delivery\” computing and networking. Even Novell, the leading network software supplier of the day had no choice. Netware became notware.

For companies, the free software idea was only relevant in terms of what it spawned which was cost effectiveness and so better profits. In some ways, Linux & TCP/IP is what MSDOS was to personal computing, the defacto standard and like MSDOS in its day, required a body of technical knowledge to get the most out of it. But MSDOS eventually was challenged to provide a less technical interface and it was Apple who pushed Microsoft in that direction. Computing became about how the technical elements of computing could be pushed more and more to the background in order to expand reach all the while trying to add features for those more technically adept. It is instructive that Microsoft\’s installed base in those days demanded that Microsoft provide a better interface rather than just switching their business to Apple. There were many reasons for this but the fact remains that people didn\’t want to switch. They could only handle so much change and they needed the comfort that numbers (the herd) provided. It was \”safer\” to wait for Microsoft.

I write this not because many of you don\’t already know the history but to highlight something about human behavior. World view as used in the article is the right choice of words when discussing these issues. Apple\’s approach has always been to position itself as the liberator of the individual against Microsoft\’s minions in their cubicles. This liberation however was not of the technical or legal variety it was the liberation of the self. It was personal. In addition, the ease with which one could use an Apple (a function of Apple\’s control over all products associated with its machine) satisfied the self\’s never ending quest for convenience where possible.

As long as machines were desktop bound and primarily for business use, Apple had an uphill battle. Apple\’s rise again shows just how important the commercialization of the internet has been and what it has meant in terms of altering the paradigm of user machine interaction.

Despite Microsoft\’s presence on the desktop, it is obvious that there is no \”one size fits all operating system\” otherwise Microsoft would have a bigger slice of the server market and wouldn\’t be playing catchup to Apple as it positions itself as the computer for relatively easy to use integration with mobile devices (IPOD, IPHONE).

If people want Linux to be a mass consumer product, then you have to take the consumer right where they are and promise them and deliver what they want and not what you wish they would want.

This has to be the goal of Linux on the desktop if mass adoption is desired.

What won\’t work is Linux with its hit and miss ability to anticipate user\’s needs or an appeal to an individualism that is based on a technical and legal approach.

Code availability and customization are of as little interest to most people as the legal technicalities of free software versus proprietary software.

Which brings us back to the first proposition. The philosophy of the graphical interface is technical ignorance. Any attempt to think that people will find a technical and legal philosophy as a motivator for using a computer are doomed to fail. People simply don\’t care and by people I don\’t mean all people, just most which is enough.

For Linux to succeed as a consumer product, something like Canonical has to make it happen (there doesn\’t seem to be anybody on the horizon who is focused more on the consumer product approach than Canonical and Ubuntu).

But Linux won\’t just be a consumer product. It will serve a variety of functions as it does now. In some cases the freedom aspect will matter but in other cases it won\’t.

Competing claims for what Linux should or should not be will not be the determining factor of how Linux will be used or by whom. No one controls that.
Those who emphasize the freedom as in speech aspect are like political activists. Such people are a subset. No one needs to be told that what eventually reaches the voter is usually a milder form of action than what any political activist in a cause would call for. This doesn\’t negate the activist. We need them and their specialized interests as much as society needs every group. The complexity of the modern world demands such specialization of groups.

In most cases (outside of their own area of expertise), people don\’t know what to do. That is what leadership is about. Leadership is never a case of the facts, it is a case of being able to move people in a direction. Sometimes this is done by force (Microsoft\’s tactics usually rely on this in the same way that an Empire uses its military) but usually force fails. People like water will take the path of least resistance and like water eventually find cracks to seep through and go where they want to go.

The bottom lines is ultimate uses of Linux will be varied and they won\’t all adhere to a philosophy based on freedom and unencumbered patents. The use will be as varied as the uses human beings can think of whether as individuals, groups or companies.

The bottom line is we are fortunate to be living at this moment with this kind of access to choices no matter what the future eventually brings. The day free software becomes dominant will mean only that software itself as we think of it has become irrelevant. We will still end up finding that most of our computing needs are supplied by people who will demand a price and that they will protect that revenue stream with whatever tools are at their disposal.

Gnu/Linux as free software has its place, I\’m just skeptical that its place is as the consumer computing software of choice but hey, crazier things have happened.

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bryanjrichard

\”Anybody else noticed there have been more and more articles without by-lines?\”

@golding Whoops, that was an oversight; all of the articles should have bylines.

Christopher Smart (http://www.linux-mag.com/blogs/csmart) is the author of this article. We\’ve updated the story and the byline should appear shortly.

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jacdeb6009

An interesting question. I believe that then answer lies in-between (doesn\’t it always?)

I have been using Linux now for almost three years (still a Noob :) ). The move was prompted out of curiosity and frustration. At first I used Linux only for my own stuff and Windows for work, after a year, I was confident enough to move to Linux full time.

There have been plenty of little (and some bigger) problems along the way. The main problem is that as a consulting engineer, I work with clients who use Windows exclusively. This creates the inevitable problems with file formats and compatibility.

Yes, the Open Source Software is good. To me, as one example, the Gimp is every bit as good as Photoshop… for what *I* use it. On the other hand, finding something that works as well as Autocad and that is compatible with Autocad is a problem.

The answer (for me, at least) was easy. I run Windows in a virtual machine for the one or two things that I cannot find OSS equivalents for. Yes, it\’s a compromise, but it is one that works for me.

There are plenty of reasons why people move / don\’t move to Linux, but in the vast majority of cases I suspect it has less to do with the availability of software, than the fact that people are inherently lazy. Lazy, that is, to learn a new / different way of doing things.

\”I really know Windows/Photoshop/Autocad/whatever well, I don\’t have the time to learn how this new software works.\”

Face it, not everyone has the time, or the interest to do this and with the typical work environment nowadays, not many employers would accept employees spending time at work being \”unproductive\” learning a new way to do something that they have always done before. It is a problem.

Me, I am happy in Linux-land. I love my OSS software and yes, there are some apps that I might consider buying if they were available as native (!) Linux apps.

Is Canonical doing the wrong thing? Difficult to say. You could argue that this move will attract more user to Linux and whatever the reasons for moving this cannot be bad.

You could take the view that this adulterates the concept of Free and Open Source Software and it is a bad thing.

For me, it is neither good nor bad. It is a fact of life that sooner or later someone will do this. There is of course nothing to stop this. By the same token, the choice is still yours. To buy or not to buy… And that\’s what Open Source is all about. The freedom to choose!

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chas

I run proprietary software under Ubuntu. I bought UEX (ultraedit for linux) because running this program as a native app works better than running it under wine. I didn\’t feel like a traitor or a cheat when I typed in the credit card number. If a good piece of software does what I need it to do and if I can afford the cost I will buy it. I use a lot of FOSS, I run Ubuntu, I edit photos with GIMP. I type letters and once in a while build a spreadsheet with open office. I have never gone through the source code for anything I use. I understand that some people do have the ability to edit and revise software to suit their own needs but I can\’t. So the closed source/open source tug of war goes on without me. I need something that opens when I click, doesn\’t crash, and works as advertised. If I can find free software to do what I want to do I\’ll use it. If there\’s a better product that I have to pay for I\’ll probably end up spending money.

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bcspratt

Selling proprietary software on Linux is a great idea. Lindows / Linspire did the same thing with their CNR (click-n-run) program manager which had both free and proprietary Linux software. I used Linspire for years primarily because of it included proprietary codecs out-of-the-box and the ease of CNR (it was great). If Conical can include popular Windows and Mac software then Linux will be all the more attractive to Windows users the next time their PC dies from a virus.

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dragonwisard

@dwains: Quicken is a perfect example of why arguments like this are fast becoming irrelevant.

Do they have a native Linux version? No.
Do they have an online version? Yes.
http://quicken.intuit.com/personal-finance-software/free-online-money-management.jsp

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(\”http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0410.3/1101.html\”)

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You might want to go through some of the backlog, there are MANY without by-lines.

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@golding, yes I\’m still in Canberra (I love it here), but I wished I was across the Tasman at Linux Conf Au this week. Unfortunately I couldn\’t make it this year :-(

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