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	<title>Comments on: Love it or Hate it, Here Comes the iPad</title>
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		<title>By: ctwise</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7690/#comment-7785</link>
		<dc:creator>ctwise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No Flash support.  This is Steve\&#039;s private little war against Flash.  As an open source magazine, this is one of the few things you should support Steve on.  Flash is a proprietary technology that uses too much CPU, crashes too often, serves as a vector for security problems and doesn\&#039;t scale well for small device screens.  You should be pushing for HTML5 to replace Flash even more then Steve is.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW, the iPad _does_ do video out.  You need an adapter for that, but it will output to a projector or secondary screen.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Flash support.  This is Steve\&#8217;s private little war against Flash.  As an open source magazine, this is one of the few things you should support Steve on.  Flash is a proprietary technology that uses too much CPU, crashes too often, serves as a vector for security problems and doesn\&#8217;t scale well for small device screens.  You should be pushing for HTML5 to replace Flash even more then Steve is.</p>
<p>BTW, the iPad _does_ do video out.  You need an adapter for that, but it will output to a projector or secondary screen.</p>
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		<title>By: gmeader3</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7690/#comment-7786</link>
		<dc:creator>gmeader3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It would be great to have a touch-oriented UI framework like Apple\&#039;s UIkit (part of the iPhone SDK) for Linux. Android is one possibility, but it\&#039;s Java-based and not completely open-source. I\&#039;d rather use C++ or Python on a kernel I have source code for.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then mobile Linux apps could be as cool as iPhone/iPad apps.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the end, I\&#039;d like to have a Linux distro with an excellent touch UI (as good as Apple iPad) that I could install on the hardware of my choice (Chinese iPad tablet clone).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be great to have a touch-oriented UI framework like Apple\&#8217;s UIkit (part of the iPhone SDK) for Linux. Android is one possibility, but it\&#8217;s Java-based and not completely open-source. I\&#8217;d rather use C++ or Python on a kernel I have source code for.</p>
<p>Then mobile Linux apps could be as cool as iPhone/iPad apps.</p>
<p>In the end, I\&#8217;d like to have a Linux distro with an excellent touch UI (as good as Apple iPad) that I could install on the hardware of my choice (Chinese iPad tablet clone).</p>
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		<title>By: severian37</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7690/#comment-7787</link>
		<dc:creator>severian37</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think it is a stretch to call it the future of mobile computing.  It\&#039;s a media playback device first and foremost, then after all is said and done, a toy.  These devices have their own niche in the mobile computing world, but they won\&#039;t replace laptops/netbooks any time soon.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is a stretch to call it the future of mobile computing.  It\&#8217;s a media playback device first and foremost, then after all is said and done, a toy.  These devices have their own niche in the mobile computing world, but they won\&#8217;t replace laptops/netbooks any time soon.</p>
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		<title>By: neondiet</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7690/#comment-7788</link>
		<dc:creator>neondiet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So the iPad can\&#039;t multitask (not strictly true, you just need to be an internal Apple app to have access to some of that functionality) and doesn\&#039;t have extendible storage (early SDK investigators are uncovering hooks to access mounted network drives) and doesn\&#039;t have flash support (flash blows chunks on OS X, it\&#039;s so CPU intensive it slashes the battery life on my MBP to half of what it should be) and doesn\&#039;t have removable power.  So what.  10 hours of in-use time is longer than most people\&#039;s working day and is more than enough to do a bucket load of work (or browsing) before searching for the nearest power outlet.  That won\&#039;t be a problem.  And I\&#039;m sure someone will bring out a cheap portable battery to plug in and boost longevity if needed (I have one for my iPhone and it works great). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe what you need to do is show Apple how to do it right.  Design your own tablet with the same form factor, the same multi-touch sensitivity, at the same weight, with the same graphics and cpu processing power, with the same network connectivity.  Give it extendible storage and removable batteries and a camera.  Use Android and give it true multitasking, and put flash on it.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let\&#039;s see if you can match Apple\&#039;s price point and still make a profit.  And lets see what your battery life is like, or whether your users curse you for selling them a device that goes dead before lunch time.   I\&#039;ll bet you can\&#039;t, and I\&#039;ll bet that no one else can right now either: not with today\&#039;s technology.
&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the iPad can\&#8217;t multitask (not strictly true, you just need to be an internal Apple app to have access to some of that functionality) and doesn\&#8217;t have extendible storage (early SDK investigators are uncovering hooks to access mounted network drives) and doesn\&#8217;t have flash support (flash blows chunks on OS X, it\&#8217;s so CPU intensive it slashes the battery life on my MBP to half of what it should be) and doesn\&#8217;t have removable power.  So what.  10 hours of in-use time is longer than most people\&#8217;s working day and is more than enough to do a bucket load of work (or browsing) before searching for the nearest power outlet.  That won\&#8217;t be a problem.  And I\&#8217;m sure someone will bring out a cheap portable battery to plug in and boost longevity if needed (I have one for my iPhone and it works great). </p>
<p>Maybe what you need to do is show Apple how to do it right.  Design your own tablet with the same form factor, the same multi-touch sensitivity, at the same weight, with the same graphics and cpu processing power, with the same network connectivity.  Give it extendible storage and removable batteries and a camera.  Use Android and give it true multitasking, and put flash on it.   </p>
<p>Let\&#8217;s see if you can match Apple\&#8217;s price point and still make a profit.  And lets see what your battery life is like, or whether your users curse you for selling them a device that goes dead before lunch time.   I\&#8217;ll bet you can\&#8217;t, and I\&#8217;ll bet that no one else can right now either: not with today\&#8217;s technology.</p>
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		<title>By: jnuyens</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7690/#comment-7789</link>
		<dc:creator>jnuyens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It\&#039;s sad that an article like this in a \&#039;linux magazine\&#039; doesn\&#039;t even mention the closed nature of this beast. It gives maximum control to Apple, but very few to the end user who is locked in with what Apple likes or doesn\&#039;t like.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Freedom to the end users, is a very important thing of what makes Linux, linux!
&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It\&#8217;s sad that an article like this in a \&#8217;linux magazine\&#8217; doesn\&#8217;t even mention the closed nature of this beast. It gives maximum control to Apple, but very few to the end user who is locked in with what Apple likes or doesn\&#8217;t like.</p>
<p>Freedom to the end users, is a very important thing of what makes Linux, linux!</p>
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		<title>By: alizard</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7690/#comment-7790</link>
		<dc:creator>alizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What Apple has accomplished with the iPad is to \&quot;legitimize\&quot; the tablet form factor in the minds of the public and the media, or at any rate, they\&#039;ll have done so as soon as their ad campaign has had a few weeks to run.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Other than that, there\&#039;s less here than meets the eye. How\&#039;d they manage the form factor in 1.5 pounds? Imagine yourself repackaging a netbook into a tablet form factor. Lose the keyboard, remove the electronics, put in a smaller battery, use a smaller CPU to keep power consumption and heat dissipation down, turn the folding case into a single piece case, add an IR touchscreen. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sounds a lot less miraculous, doesn\&#039;t it?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What they\&#039;ve done is open the door for competitors running Wintel tablets with Linux or Windows OSs and selling them at far lower prices. We know this for sure because one Asian manufacturer is already suing Apple on the patent infringement grounds based on whatever they did to get their tablet into the form factor, and their product retails at $338.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I\&#039;m willing to wait around for that lower price point, and if it comes with WinXP or 7, I\&#039;ll be happy to put a Kubuntu netbook distro in it. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which prevents me from having to live in Apple\&#039;s \&#039;walled garden\&#039;(the fanboys might prefer to call it a cyberspece \&#039;gated community\&#039;) and to pick my own apps based on my needs, not Apple\&#039;s bottom line, and instead of having Steve Jobs pick them for me.
&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Apple has accomplished with the iPad is to \&#8221;legitimize\&#8221; the tablet form factor in the minds of the public and the media, or at any rate, they\&#8217;ll have done so as soon as their ad campaign has had a few weeks to run.</p>
<p>Other than that, there\&#8217;s less here than meets the eye. How\&#8217;d they manage the form factor in 1.5 pounds? Imagine yourself repackaging a netbook into a tablet form factor. Lose the keyboard, remove the electronics, put in a smaller battery, use a smaller CPU to keep power consumption and heat dissipation down, turn the folding case into a single piece case, add an IR touchscreen. </p>
<p>Sounds a lot less miraculous, doesn\&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>What they\&#8217;ve done is open the door for competitors running Wintel tablets with Linux or Windows OSs and selling them at far lower prices. We know this for sure because one Asian manufacturer is already suing Apple on the patent infringement grounds based on whatever they did to get their tablet into the form factor, and their product retails at $338.</p>
<p>I\&#8217;m willing to wait around for that lower price point, and if it comes with WinXP or 7, I\&#8217;ll be happy to put a Kubuntu netbook distro in it. </p>
<p>Which prevents me from having to live in Apple\&#8217;s \&#8217;walled garden\&#8217;(the fanboys might prefer to call it a cyberspece \&#8217;gated community\&#8217;) and to pick my own apps based on my needs, not Apple\&#8217;s bottom line, and instead of having Steve Jobs pick them for me.</p>
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		<title>By: mccwho</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7690/#comment-7791</link>
		<dc:creator>mccwho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ahhhh, OK&lt;br /&gt;
I don\&#039;t mean to bash Apple at all, but I fail to see the \&quot;BIG\&quot; break through. Apple has great marketing. They can make you believe that just because they are just now coming out with it, that makes it new and a revolution. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The old Treo phones (palm OS) could already do almost everything the iphone could (for many years prior), bar the accelerometer and multi-touch. Yes the Treo even had a \&quot;Ture\&quot; GPS option. I almost bought an iphone but could not justify it, there are hundreds of free app\&#039;s for the palm OS. So there was nothing on the iphone that I could not do already. And now there is the Nokia N900. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have an old Fujitsu tablet, that runs Linux on it. Its a ture tablet, touch screen and no attached keyboard. It does everything and a LOT more then the ipad. All for less then $100 (off of ebay).And it runs all day on a single charge. Has ALL the ports and BT, WiFi, Solid State HD, etc... Heck I even use it to connect to the servers at work either by com port or Ethernet (we don\&#039;t allow wireless connections for security reasons), we wrote a simple application that lets it be used as a monitor with an onscreen keyboard when connected to the server, works as a console. I don\&#039;t see that being a possibility for the ipad.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The company \&quot;Always Innovating\&quot; is working on a detachable touch screen/keyboard tablet for $400. It does more then the ipad, even though its not perfected yet. It will most likely be so soon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guess there will always be a market for the apple things, but open source people want \&quot;Freedom\&quot; not Corporate dictation and control.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Microsoft and Apple are the same game just with a different name. I wonder what EULA you will have to agree to, to use it. Proprietary is so last century.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh well to each his own (I know the apple lovers will bash me, OH well!).&lt;br /&gt;
If you love Apple, fine with me. Don\&#039;t insult me for expressing my option. I don\&#039;t you.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I will not buy one!!! Have a better one already.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Long live Linux.
&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhhh, OK<br />
I don\&#8217;t mean to bash Apple at all, but I fail to see the \&#8221;BIG\&#8221; break through. Apple has great marketing. They can make you believe that just because they are just now coming out with it, that makes it new and a revolution. </p>
<p>The old Treo phones (palm OS) could already do almost everything the iphone could (for many years prior), bar the accelerometer and multi-touch. Yes the Treo even had a \&#8221;Ture\&#8221; GPS option. I almost bought an iphone but could not justify it, there are hundreds of free app\&#8217;s for the palm OS. So there was nothing on the iphone that I could not do already. And now there is the Nokia N900. </p>
<p>I have an old Fujitsu tablet, that runs Linux on it. Its a ture tablet, touch screen and no attached keyboard. It does everything and a LOT more then the ipad. All for less then $100 (off of ebay).And it runs all day on a single charge. Has ALL the ports and BT, WiFi, Solid State HD, etc&#8230; Heck I even use it to connect to the servers at work either by com port or Ethernet (we don\&#8217;t allow wireless connections for security reasons), we wrote a simple application that lets it be used as a monitor with an onscreen keyboard when connected to the server, works as a console. I don\&#8217;t see that being a possibility for the ipad.</p>
<p>The company \&#8221;Always Innovating\&#8221; is working on a detachable touch screen/keyboard tablet for $400. It does more then the ipad, even though its not perfected yet. It will most likely be so soon.</p>
<p>I guess there will always be a market for the apple things, but open source people want \&#8221;Freedom\&#8221; not Corporate dictation and control.</p>
<p>Microsoft and Apple are the same game just with a different name. I wonder what EULA you will have to agree to, to use it. Proprietary is so last century.</p>
<p>Oh well to each his own (I know the apple lovers will bash me, OH well!).<br />
If you love Apple, fine with me. Don\&#8217;t insult me for expressing my option. I don\&#8217;t you.  </p>
<p>I will not buy one!!! Have a better one already.</p>
<p>Long live Linux.</p>
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		<title>By: ecubeh</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7690/#comment-7792</link>
		<dc:creator>ecubeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Love it or hate it ??? We are getting a little pompous, aren\&#039;t we? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How about ignore it? Surely there are many other developments of greater significance than a fancy tablet with a closed architecture! OK, it may be a Kindle killer. I don\&#039;t see anyone jumping to replace their phone / netbook / desktop with it, though apple fanboys and children may have some fun playing with this must-have toy, this latest dump from the marketing machine.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dear Steve, you are getting boring in your old age ...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love it or hate it ??? We are getting a little pompous, aren\&#8217;t we? </p>
<p>How about ignore it? Surely there are many other developments of greater significance than a fancy tablet with a closed architecture! OK, it may be a Kindle killer. I don\&#8217;t see anyone jumping to replace their phone / netbook / desktop with it, though apple fanboys and children may have some fun playing with this must-have toy, this latest dump from the marketing machine.</p>
<p>Dear Steve, you are getting boring in your old age &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gmeader3</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7690/#comment-7793</link>
		<dc:creator>gmeader3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Touch (LinuxPad) distro needed.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now we need an open-source clone of Apple\&#039;s UIkit touch framework for native Linux (not Android,) so easy-to-use (iPhone-like) Linux-based gestural/touch apps can be written. Here\&#039;s a start: http://parsekit.com/umekit/&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then a distro tailored for touch-screen tablets that are hardware clones of the iPad can be created. (tuxPad?)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Touch (LinuxPad) distro needed.</strong></p>
<p>Now we need an open-source clone of Apple\&#8217;s UIkit touch framework for native Linux (not Android,) so easy-to-use (iPhone-like) Linux-based gestural/touch apps can be written. Here\&#8217;s a start: <a href="http://parsekit.com/umekit/" rel="nofollow">http://parsekit.com/umekit/</a></p>
<p>Then a distro tailored for touch-screen tablets that are hardware clones of the iPad can be created. (tuxPad?)</p>
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		<title>By: labadie</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7690/#comment-7794</link>
		<dc:creator>labadie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I prefer the TouchBook of Alwaysinnovating&lt;br /&gt;
http://alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can put nearly any distro&lt;br /&gt;
Ubuntu, Android, Mer, Gentoo, Chrome OS...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am not \&quot;linked\&quot; to Apple, or any other company.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And at 299 $, it is much cheaper (well, cheaper than Apple is an overstatement...).
&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer the TouchBook of Alwaysinnovating<br />
<a href="http://alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/" rel="nofollow">http://alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/</a></p>
<p>I can put nearly any distro<br />
Ubuntu, Android, Mer, Gentoo, Chrome OS&#8230;</p>
<p>I am not \&#8221;linked\&#8221; to Apple, or any other company.</p>
<p>And at 299 $, it is much cheaper (well, cheaper than Apple is an overstatement&#8230;).</p>
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