Comments on: The Greatest KDE Distro Ever: An Early Look at openSUSE 11.3 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/ Open Source, Open Standards Sat, 05 Oct 2013 13:48:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: bartvandeenen http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7800 bartvandeenen Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7800 <p>About two months ago I got fed up with all the irritating bugs in Kubuntu, and decided to return to Suse after an absence of some years. I installed 11.2, and I\'m really happy with it. It\'s much more polished than Kubuntu, and I\'m really looking forward to 11.3. </p> About two months ago I got fed up with all the irritating bugs in Kubuntu, and decided to return to Suse after an absence of some years. I installed 11.2, and I\’m really happy with it. It\’s much more polished than Kubuntu, and I\’m really looking forward to 11.3.

]]> By: zakhurlifesbane http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7801 zakhurlifesbane Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7801 <p>I use Mandriva and I have been happy with the KDE updates. Your point about comfort to Windows folk migrating is well-taken though it will definitely upset GNOME aficianados. Mandriva also has out their 2010.1 Alpha which shows similar promise. I do wonder why your article did not mention akonadi which is a very useful desktop enhancement.</p> <p>GNOME is very respectable but is more of a leap for the migration of Winusers (Even though Evolution has it hands-down over KMail for communicating with non-compliant servers and Exchange and otherwise emulating Outlook and feel).</p> <p>wilimag has a point, too. If Microsoft issued the best ever linux distro under GPLv3 I still would not use it. Same provision for its partners like Novell. </p> I use Mandriva and I have been happy with the KDE updates. Your point about comfort to Windows folk migrating is well-taken though it will definitely upset GNOME aficianados. Mandriva also has out their 2010.1 Alpha which shows similar promise. I do wonder why your article did not mention akonadi which is a very useful desktop enhancement.

GNOME is very respectable but is more of a leap for the migration of Winusers (Even though Evolution has it hands-down over KMail for communicating with non-compliant servers and Exchange and otherwise emulating Outlook and feel).

wilimag has a point, too. If Microsoft issued the best ever linux distro under GPLv3 I still would not use it. Same provision for its partners like Novell.

]]> By: wilimag http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7802 wilimag Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7802 <p>It may be \"The Greatest KDE Distro Ever\", but it is Suse.<br /> Suse is coming from Novell.<br /> I prefer to boycott on them. </p> It may be \”The Greatest KDE Distro Ever\”, but it is Suse.
Suse is coming from Novell.
I prefer to boycott on them.

]]> By: masinick http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7803 masinick Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7803 <p>I have to question \"Greatest KDE Distro Ever\", that seems more sensational than actual, and it seems more like opinion than fact. I would, however, generally agree, based on my own tests, that KDE 4.4 is a significant improvement, that the release, when finalized, seems more stable and functionally complete than we have seen in a few years now and it ought to be one of the better releases. But until we can substantiate product quality, setting that high claim is a bit much. It may end up as \"one of the best\", but to me, that\'s a bit of a line and it takes away from the credibility of the story in my mind. Moreover, though openSUSE certainly is a desktop technology leader, they have consistently had quality control issues, and releasing a product with release candidate software, though getting it in people\'s hands, simply furthers my suspicions that their quality assurance leaves much to be desired, so again, I find those kinds of things far from \"The Greatest Ever\", more like the potential for the biggest letdown.</p> <p>I love technology releases, and I personally use the Mandriva Cooker and Debian Sid a lot. I have too much trouble with openSUSE, and I just have never gotten used to using it as a result, and I find Fedora to be close, in terms of having great preview technology, but highly suspect early release quality. I\'d consider looking at either of them two months after release, but not now? GREAT? Great to wait a quarter at least! </p> I have to question \”Greatest KDE Distro Ever\”, that seems more sensational than actual, and it seems more like opinion than fact. I would, however, generally agree, based on my own tests, that KDE 4.4 is a significant improvement, that the release, when finalized, seems more stable and functionally complete than we have seen in a few years now and it ought to be one of the better releases. But until we can substantiate product quality, setting that high claim is a bit much. It may end up as \”one of the best\”, but to me, that\’s a bit of a line and it takes away from the credibility of the story in my mind. Moreover, though openSUSE certainly is a desktop technology leader, they have consistently had quality control issues, and releasing a product with release candidate software, though getting it in people\’s hands, simply furthers my suspicions that their quality assurance leaves much to be desired, so again, I find those kinds of things far from \”The Greatest Ever\”, more like the potential for the biggest letdown.

I love technology releases, and I personally use the Mandriva Cooker and Debian Sid a lot. I have too much trouble with openSUSE, and I just have never gotten used to using it as a result, and I find Fedora to be close, in terms of having great preview technology, but highly suspect early release quality. I\’d consider looking at either of them two months after release, but not now? GREAT? Great to wait a quarter at least!

]]> By: jonjermey http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7804 jonjermey Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7804 <p>\"Finally, someone has plugged the missing hole!\"</p> <p>If the hole is missing, why does it need to be plugged? </p> \”Finally, someone has plugged the missing hole!\”

If the hole is missing, why does it need to be plugged?

]]> By: mrrtd http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7805 mrrtd Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7805 <p>I\'ll admit that the openSuse team do a great job with KDE, but I\'m not a big fan of rpm packages, and not entirely comfortable with the Suse/Microsoft mono situation. So for now, it\'s not a distribution I\'ll be choosing. </p> I\’ll admit that the openSuse team do a great job with KDE, but I\’m not a big fan of rpm packages, and not entirely comfortable with the Suse/Microsoft mono situation. So for now, it\’s not a distribution I\’ll be choosing.

]]> By: finnmetal http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7806 finnmetal Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7806 <p>opensuse may well have one of the best KDE implementations, unfortunately it is still opensuse. It is not so much about the distro being funded by Novell or their way of heavily pushing mono on their users. It is more the matter of the way the distribution is built in comparision to other binary distros. The suse init process is horrible. Also the way they package the kernel, gcc, and other packages is just downright nasty. These are just 2 examples. openuse has the tendancy to break things with their updates, most the times leaving some users not being able to use their box\'s for weeks. Their Community is rather rude (mostly novell employees or fanbois) and the help you get is second rate at best. </p> opensuse may well have one of the best KDE implementations, unfortunately it is still opensuse. It is not so much about the distro being funded by Novell or their way of heavily pushing mono on their users. It is more the matter of the way the distribution is built in comparision to other binary distros. The suse init process is horrible. Also the way they package the kernel, gcc, and other packages is just downright nasty. These are just 2 examples. openuse has the tendancy to break things with their updates, most the times leaving some users not being able to use their box\’s for weeks. Their Community is rather rude (mostly novell employees or fanbois) and the help you get is second rate at best.

]]> By: csmart http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7807 csmart Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7807 <p>Apologies for the delay, I have been away.</p> <p>@wilimag, that\'s true and I don\'t like Novell either. However, the openSUSE community also created this project, not just Novell employees, and I think that the community should not be shunned. Once Novell is gone, the openSUSE community will go on.</p> <p>@mrrtd, one of the beautiful things about Mono is that it\'s not included in KDE at all, yet. The default install of KDE, even under openSUSE, does not include Mono or any of its libraries :-) RPM packages are pretty much the same as Debs, perhaps you mean the management of them rather than the format itself? If so, you really, really should try Zypper. It\'s brilliant.</p> <p>-c </p> Apologies for the delay, I have been away.

@wilimag, that\’s true and I don\’t like Novell either. However, the openSUSE community also created this project, not just Novell employees, and I think that the community should not be shunned. Once Novell is gone, the openSUSE community will go on.

@mrrtd, one of the beautiful things about Mono is that it\’s not included in KDE at all, yet. The default install of KDE, even under openSUSE, does not include Mono or any of its libraries :-) RPM packages are pretty much the same as Debs, perhaps you mean the management of them rather than the format itself? If so, you really, really should try Zypper. It\’s brilliant.

-c

]]> By: richlion http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7808 richlion Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7808 <p>Hello Everyone,<br /> I don\'t know why Suse is to become the best distro ever. I\'ve been dissapointed by Suse a while ago, then again I had Mandriva and I got fed up with RPM packages causing all sorts of disruptions in the system. I think we can only judge the system by the way it reacts to changes when applications added.<br /> Now I am only using Sabayon based on Gentoo. The Sabayon team has been delivering an awesome system from my point of view. There is hardly anything that would not work. I\'ve been using it since 2006, in the meantime still tried other distros and to me no distro looks like Sabayon.<br /> KDE - that\'s a bit of another story. I just wonder how many version we need to go trough until all bugs are fixed, although to me version 4.3.4 is a good step.</p> <p>Can I ask those who use Suse - how good is the sound system on Suse? Does it use PulseAudio? Is it setup correctly?<br /> For example do those who use Suse have any problems with apps blocking each other?</p> <p>Best regards,<br /> Richard </p> Hello Everyone,
I don\’t know why Suse is to become the best distro ever. I\’ve been dissapointed by Suse a while ago, then again I had Mandriva and I got fed up with RPM packages causing all sorts of disruptions in the system. I think we can only judge the system by the way it reacts to changes when applications added.
Now I am only using Sabayon based on Gentoo. The Sabayon team has been delivering an awesome system from my point of view. There is hardly anything that would not work. I\’ve been using it since 2006, in the meantime still tried other distros and to me no distro looks like Sabayon.
KDE – that\’s a bit of another story. I just wonder how many version we need to go trough until all bugs are fixed, although to me version 4.3.4 is a good step.

Can I ask those who use Suse – how good is the sound system on Suse? Does it use PulseAudio? Is it setup correctly?
For example do those who use Suse have any problems with apps blocking each other?

Best regards,
Richard

]]> By: bcspratt http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7809 bcspratt Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7809 <p>\"OK, I’ll say it. KDE 4.4 is far superior to any release before it. Brace yourselves folks, it’s time to (finally) let go of version 3.\"</p> <p>You can have my KDE 3.5 when you pry it from my cold dead hands. </p> \”OK, I’ll say it. KDE 4.4 is far superior to any release before it. Brace yourselves folks, it’s time to (finally) let go of version 3.\”

You can have my KDE 3.5 when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

]]> By: bcspratt http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7810 bcspratt Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7810 <p>\"Unfortunately, Konqueror and its ageing KHTML engine simply don’t make the grade any more and so the biggest hole in the KDE desktop is a solid, well integrated web browser.\"</p> <p>Konqueror is not a web browser, Firefox is a web browser. Konqueror is the best file manager I\'ve ever seen (split windows, service menus, drag and drop FTP access to remote sites.... it\'s great).</p> <p>And for the record, I don\'t like Dolphin as a file manager. </p> \”Unfortunately, Konqueror and its ageing KHTML engine simply don’t make the grade any more and so the biggest hole in the KDE desktop is a solid, well integrated web browser.\”

Konqueror is not a web browser, Firefox is a web browser. Konqueror is the best file manager I\’ve ever seen (split windows, service menus, drag and drop FTP access to remote sites…. it\’s great).

And for the record, I don\’t like Dolphin as a file manager.

]]> By: bcspratt http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7811 bcspratt Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7693/#comment-7811 <p>\"Overall, the Plasma experience with 4.4 is impressive. Everything runs very fast and effects are very nice. In short, it truly looks high class. Users switching from a Vista or Windows 7 should more feel at home, especially when compared to the GNOME desktop.\"</p> <p>Are you looking to start a holy war (another one)?</p> <p>Kubuntu: one distro to rule them all. </p> \”Overall, the Plasma experience with 4.4 is impressive. Everything runs very fast and effects are very nice. In short, it truly looks high class. Users switching from a Vista or Windows 7 should more feel at home, especially when compared to the GNOME desktop.\”

Are you looking to start a holy war (another one)?

Kubuntu: one distro to rule them all.

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