Comments on: Firefox Losing Foothold on Linux Distros? http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/ Open Source, Open Standards Sat, 05 Oct 2013 13:48:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Micro$haft http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-783741 Micro$haft Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:07:10 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-783741 I know this is like almost 3 years old, but people seem to forget that...well outside of the free Unix world where Mozilla is like a religion, an awesome one btw... Firefox was created for one main reason only and that reason was to knock off the ever buggy yet enduring piece of excrement that is IE. So what if Chrom* takes over or whatever, so long as IE dies Mozilla still wins. Finish him... Flawless victory! I know this is like almost 3 years old, but people seem to forget that…well outside of the free Unix world where Mozilla is like a religion, an awesome one btw… Firefox was created for one main reason only and that reason was to knock off the ever buggy yet enduring piece of excrement that is IE. So what if Chrom* takes over or whatever, so long as IE dies Mozilla still wins. Finish him… Flawless victory!

]]> By: campbell2644 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8445 campbell2644 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8445 <p>Firefox will retain the loyalty of most Linux users because of its open source traditions. Chrome is good but still lacks the flexibility and extras of Firefox. By the time it catches up Firefox may well have technically \"slimmed\" anyway </p> Firefox will retain the loyalty of most Linux users because of its open source traditions. Chrome is good but still lacks the flexibility and extras of Firefox. By the time it catches up Firefox may well have technically \”slimmed\” anyway

]]> By: mickza http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8446 mickza Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8446 <p>I agree with campbell2644. I have Chrome installed on 64bit Fedora and, although it\'s stable these days, I only use it for site testing - possibly a case of \"old dogs, new tricks\" but I just prefer Firefox.</p> <p>As a side note I personally think Chrome looks better on Linux than it does on Windows 7 - maybe because of the impending Google OS? </p> I agree with campbell2644. I have Chrome installed on 64bit Fedora and, although it\’s stable these days, I only use it for site testing – possibly a case of \”old dogs, new tricks\” but I just prefer Firefox.

As a side note I personally think Chrome looks better on Linux than it does on Windows 7 – maybe because of the impending Google OS?

]]> By: sgornick http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8447 sgornick Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8447 <p>Don\'t forget that Ubuntu 10.10 follows 10.04 LTS (Long Term Support) release, and no longre need to be conservative as far as the mix of components. </p> <p>In fact, Ubuntu\'s founder says: \"be a little radical in how we approach the next two year major cycle.\"<br /> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/336</p> <p>Finding serious regressions (e.g., http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=45074 ) in each new release of Chrome is frustrating (and surprising, given Google\'s development processes) -- though none are severe enough to make me change my default browser back to Firefox. </p> Don\’t forget that Ubuntu 10.10 follows 10.04 LTS (Long Term Support) release, and no longre need to be conservative as far as the mix of components.

In fact, Ubuntu\’s founder says: \”be a little radical in how we approach the next two year major cycle.\”
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/336

Finding serious regressions (e.g., http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=45074 ) in each new release of Chrome is frustrating (and surprising, given Google\’s development processes) — though none are severe enough to make me change my default browser back to Firefox.

]]> By: wweng_linux http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8448 wweng_linux Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8448 <p>Saying firefox is bloated is like saying emacs is bloated; whoever said it is full of ignorance. </p> Saying firefox is bloated is like saying emacs is bloated; whoever said it is full of ignorance.

]]> By: dezza http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8449 dezza Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8449 <p>Oh - But Ubuntu is perfect - So why bother? I\'m sure that millions of users can\'t be wrong when they choose Ubuntu! (OR CAN THEY?)</p> <p>It wouldn\'t have anything to do with Google bribing Canonical, no it wouldn\'t be anything like that ..</p> <p>OF COURSE when it\'s a netbook, you simply go Chrome!</p> <p>I actually forgot totally about Chrome after the 3.6 Firefox release (3.5 was a mess) .. 3.6 is so much faster than Chrome ..</p> <p>There is a difference between being customizable and bloated.</p> <p>It\'s distributions like Ubuntu where the first tip they get is something like \"Install everything in the newest version by source (./configure [...]) and break your package manager\" - why? - Because we hack-a-long and share well-thought tips that break your Ubuntu just like your Windows .. Hooray .. </p> Oh – But Ubuntu is perfect – So why bother? I\’m sure that millions of users can\’t be wrong when they choose Ubuntu! (OR CAN THEY?)

It wouldn\’t have anything to do with Google bribing Canonical, no it wouldn\’t be anything like that ..

OF COURSE when it\’s a netbook, you simply go Chrome!

I actually forgot totally about Chrome after the 3.6 Firefox release (3.5 was a mess) .. 3.6 is so much faster than Chrome ..

There is a difference between being customizable and bloated.

It\’s distributions like Ubuntu where the first tip they get is something like \”Install everything in the newest version by source (./configure [...]) and break your package manager\” – why? – Because we hack-a-long and share well-thought tips that break your Ubuntu just like your Windows .. Hooray ..

]]> By: tallship http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8450 tallship Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8450 <p>As a Slackware user, we use Chrome, not Chromium, and as such are more fortunate than users of several other Linux distros that don\'t have the option.</p> <p>I\'ve run Chromium on a couple of other distros, and the differences between the two alone would be enough to make a compelling argument for swapping out distros.</p> <p>I\'m not really aware of Firefox being the \'default\' browser in Linux Distros either. I\'ve found that Konqueror is, and wrt embedded devices, the article completely fails to mention Opera - the clear leader in that market, in a place that Firefox isn\'t common in venturing.</p> <p>Finally, the author alludes to inferences surrounding Google\'s, \"investment in the browser space\" wrt VP8/WebM. My article at http://NorthTech.US/content/20100519/its-official-googles-vp8-goes-open-source explains the volitile and intransigent position that Mozilla took w/regards to H.264 and the subsequent embracing of VP8 by everyone (as if they had a choice) only puts Chrome in front regarding a single aspect - that it is the ONLY browser that supported both Ogg Theora and H.264 from the get-go (why not?).</p> <p>I can certainly appreciate that Chrome and Chromium are better suited for embedded or thin computing than say, Firefox, Exploder, or Safari, but leaving the real leader in the embedded market (Opera) completely out of the article seems to paint a picture that really isn\'t there in the first place. </p> As a Slackware user, we use Chrome, not Chromium, and as such are more fortunate than users of several other Linux distros that don\’t have the option.

I\’ve run Chromium on a couple of other distros, and the differences between the two alone would be enough to make a compelling argument for swapping out distros.

I\’m not really aware of Firefox being the \’default\’ browser in Linux Distros either. I\’ve found that Konqueror is, and wrt embedded devices, the article completely fails to mention Opera – the clear leader in that market, in a place that Firefox isn\’t common in venturing.

Finally, the author alludes to inferences surrounding Google\’s, \”investment in the browser space\” wrt VP8/WebM. My article at http://NorthTech.US/content/20100519/its-official-googles-vp8-goes-open-source explains the volitile and intransigent position that Mozilla took w/regards to H.264 and the subsequent embracing of VP8 by everyone (as if they had a choice) only puts Chrome in front regarding a single aspect – that it is the ONLY browser that supported both Ogg Theora and H.264 from the get-go (why not?).

I can certainly appreciate that Chrome and Chromium are better suited for embedded or thin computing than say, Firefox, Exploder, or Safari, but leaving the real leader in the embedded market (Opera) completely out of the article seems to paint a picture that really isn\’t there in the first place.

]]> By: dezza http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8451 dezza Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8451 <p>tallship: Would you honestly expect a non-GPL licensed commercial piece of software being the default browser in a distribution like Ubuntu based on Debian and it\'s free(license) software principles?</p> <p>Other than that. Don\'t think Google didn\'t pay for it.</p> <p>Chrome is not light at all .. Custom widgets, that\'s not lightweight. </p> tallship: Would you honestly expect a non-GPL licensed commercial piece of software being the default browser in a distribution like Ubuntu based on Debian and it\’s free(license) software principles?

Other than that. Don\’t think Google didn\’t pay for it.

Chrome is not light at all .. Custom widgets, that\’s not lightweight.

]]> By: tarmac http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8452 tarmac Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8452 <p>I\'m a linux newbie and have been trying to learn the ropes using Ubuntu. I very much like the netbook edition but I find myself distressed at this news. I loathe Chrome almost as much as I do Internet Exploder.</p> <p>Can anyone tell me if it will be possible to dump Chromium from the new netbook distro and replace it with Firefox or will this somehow be locked out? Apologies again - I am a newbie. </p> I\’m a linux newbie and have been trying to learn the ropes using Ubuntu. I very much like the netbook edition but I find myself distressed at this news. I loathe Chrome almost as much as I do Internet Exploder.

Can anyone tell me if it will be possible to dump Chromium from the new netbook distro and replace it with Firefox or will this somehow be locked out? Apologies again – I am a newbie.

]]> By: kgas http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8453 kgas Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8453 <p>tarmac, this is not ubuntu forum :). yet you can remove chromium using synaptic package manager. System-->Administartion-->synaptic package manager. </p> tarmac, this is not ubuntu forum :). yet you can remove chromium using synaptic package manager. System–>Administartion–>synaptic package manager.

]]> By: 1fastbullet http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8454 1fastbullet Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8454 <p>As I recall, there were a number of user privacy concerns with Chrome which I don\'t expect have magically gone away. In fact, were those privacy issues not the purpose behind the creation of the Iron browser?<br /> I know nothing about the Chromium browser. I would be interested in what and how it has addressed the privacy issues of Chrome. </p> As I recall, there were a number of user privacy concerns with Chrome which I don\’t expect have magically gone away. In fact, were those privacy issues not the purpose behind the creation of the Iron browser?
I know nothing about the Chromium browser. I would be interested in what and how it has addressed the privacy issues of Chrome.

]]> By: douglezzz http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8455 douglezzz Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8455 <p>I was using Mozilla suites when they first came out. Remember Win 2000 \"lite\" where some of us gutted the registry and \' removed\" all thingz Micro$haft.<br /> LOL<br /> I\'ll always be a Firefox or variation fan. I\'m on iceweasel and epiphany now.<br /> They came in Debian Lenny so they stay.<br /> They work flawlessly. </p> I was using Mozilla suites when they first came out. Remember Win 2000 \”lite\” where some of us gutted the registry and \’ removed\” all thingz Micro$haft.
LOL
I\’ll always be a Firefox or variation fan. I\’m on iceweasel and epiphany now.
They came in Debian Lenny so they stay.
They work flawlessly.

]]> By: basilf http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8456 basilf Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8456 <p>I have been a user of Firefox on both Linux and Windows, I have tried Chromium and its dismal at best. UBUNTU please don\'t @$#$# with a good thing. Firefox has been there for Linux for most of the time I have been using Linux, it was the defacto browser. Chromium should die the good death it is not going to come close to Firefox. They said that about OPERA. Keep Firefox, please. If not it will be the first thing I replace. Stop trying to cozy up to Google, It ban enough ANDROID can\'t sync right with Linux and you need Windows to do so, what the @#$#$ is that all about. Chromium is a terrible browser on the same level Internet Explorer. Shame on UBUNTU on this detestable choice. Firefox will ALWAYS be my browser please don\'t pull a Microsoft. </p> I have been a user of Firefox on both Linux and Windows, I have tried Chromium and its dismal at best. UBUNTU please don\’t @$#$# with a good thing. Firefox has been there for Linux for most of the time I have been using Linux, it was the defacto browser. Chromium should die the good death it is not going to come close to Firefox. They said that about OPERA. Keep Firefox, please. If not it will be the first thing I replace. Stop trying to cozy up to Google, It ban enough ANDROID can\’t sync right with Linux and you need Windows to do so, what the @#$#$ is that all about. Chromium is a terrible browser on the same level Internet Explorer. Shame on UBUNTU on this detestable choice. Firefox will ALWAYS be my browser please don\’t pull a Microsoft.

]]> By: bempey http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8457 bempey Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8457 <p>I live off Google APPs, and anyone who has tried to operate a spreadsheet of any size in gAPPs on Firefox knows how painfully slow it is.<br /> So, I use Chrome for business (its MUCH faster than Firefox for gAPPs) but I use Firefox for personal, because it has more extensions that I don\'t want to give up.<br /> This probably doesn\'t help the debate, but I find that they both have advantages depending on what you\'re needs are. </p> I live off Google APPs, and anyone who has tried to operate a spreadsheet of any size in gAPPs on Firefox knows how painfully slow it is.
So, I use Chrome for business (its MUCH faster than Firefox for gAPPs) but I use Firefox for personal, because it has more extensions that I don\’t want to give up.
This probably doesn\’t help the debate, but I find that they both have advantages depending on what you\’re needs are.

]]> By: collap http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8458 collap Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8458 <p>For general browsing I prefer Chrome as it loads quicker (Ubuntu 10.04) and like the google url handling (mixed url/search with suggestions), and the home page with snapshots of my most used sites<br /> However:<br /> Its complete rubbish with pdfs - I'd much rather have adobe reader (I use firefox if I want to read pdfs)<br /> I much prefer a download window that stays there when I close the browser, forgetting that I'm in the middle of a 300mb download - and doesn't loose it or take up real estate on the browser window. </p> For general browsing I prefer Chrome as it loads quicker (Ubuntu 10.04) and like the google url handling (mixed url/search with suggestions), and the home page with snapshots of my most used sites
However:
Its complete rubbish with pdfs – I’d much rather have adobe reader (I use firefox if I want to read pdfs)
I much prefer a download window that stays there when I close the browser, forgetting that I’m in the middle of a 300mb download – and doesn’t loose it or take up real estate on the browser window.

]]> By: wundermute http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8459 wundermute Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7804/#comment-8459 <p>Chromium provides a really good debugger, better than firebug imho.<br /> What's currently lacking is a real vimperator, clones are not as good as this firefox plugin. Also, chromium::Xmarks currently fails at not providing a home method placeholder. 2 strong arguments for my tastes. All in All chrome&ium stay as a good challenger to Opera & Firefox for common use. But some present bugs are weird: Chrome opening Firefox to handle a pdf, which one will finally launch my zathura pdf reader.. </p> Chromium provides a really good debugger, better than firebug imho.
What’s currently lacking is a real vimperator, clones are not as good as this firefox plugin. Also, chromium::Xmarks currently fails at not providing a home method placeholder. 2 strong arguments for my tastes. All in All chrome&ium stay as a good challenger to Opera & Firefox for common use. But some present bugs are weird: Chrome opening Firefox to handle a pdf, which one will finally launch my zathura pdf reader..

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