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		<title>By: narges</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7806/#comment-11223</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jefro</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7806/#comment-8465</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very well said, Joe.  I agree with all of this.  Negativity hurts the propounder much more than it does the target, and in this case it is clear that while Linux has flourished, the FSF has marginalized itself and continues to do so.  I put up a post about this as well at http://jefro.wordpress.com/2010/06/16/the-party-of-gno/ &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for speaking the truth.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said, Joe.  I agree with all of this.  Negativity hurts the propounder much more than it does the target, and in this case it is clear that while Linux has flourished, the FSF has marginalized itself and continues to do so.  I put up a post about this as well at <a href="http://jefro.wordpress.com/2010/06/16/the-party-of-gno/" rel="nofollow">http://jefro.wordpress.com/2010/06/16/the-party-of-gno/</a> </p>
<p>Thanks for speaking the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: jmf</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7806/#comment-8466</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree don\&#039;t struggle just make it obsolete
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		<title>By: mdavid</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7806/#comment-8467</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hi&lt;br /&gt;
take ubuntu 10.04, yes it\&#039;s not all free, it has proprietary drivers, plugins, etc., repos configured by default, now put that in a 6 year old notebook 512MB ram (anyone remember), that\&#039;s one thing you would not be able to do with any win (except 95 or so...).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;turn on compiz+effects, now show it to a \&quot;windows\&quot; friend, and make some of the nice effects it has, make it play an mp3 which asks for the plugin to be installed, just click next,next,next and you are hearing it. Please don\&#039;t misjudge me, my first time on the Linux world was with slackware back in 95. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I didn\&#039;t tell him anything like \&quot;you should\&quot; \&quot;you should not\&quot;, just a small demo, and he was amazed. And amazingly also, that notebook behaved properly and fast.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, it\&#039;s a mix of free (95%) and proprietary (5% or so), but that\&#039;s what make it shine, but the free is in a very large majority.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi<br />
take ubuntu 10.04, yes it\&#8217;s not all free, it has proprietary drivers, plugins, etc., repos configured by default, now put that in a 6 year old notebook 512MB ram (anyone remember), that\&#8217;s one thing you would not be able to do with any win (except 95 or so&#8230;).</p>
<p>turn on compiz+effects, now show it to a \&#8221;windows\&#8221; friend, and make some of the nice effects it has, make it play an mp3 which asks for the plugin to be installed, just click next,next,next and you are hearing it. Please don\&#8217;t misjudge me, my first time on the Linux world was with slackware back in 95. </p>
<p>I didn\&#8217;t tell him anything like \&#8221;you should\&#8221; \&#8221;you should not\&#8221;, just a small demo, and he was amazed. And amazingly also, that notebook behaved properly and fast.</p>
<p>Yes, it\&#8217;s a mix of free (95%) and proprietary (5% or so), but that\&#8217;s what make it shine, but the free is in a very large majority.</p>
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		<title>By: srosen</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7806/#comment-8468</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Railing against the FSF and Stallman? Wow, what\&#039;s wrong Joe, can\&#039;t think of anything Gnu to write?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Railing against the FSF and Stallman? Wow, what\&#8217;s wrong Joe, can\&#8217;t think of anything Gnu to write?</p>
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		<title>By: dragonwisard</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7806/#comment-8469</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with this article 100%. Stallmanists are nothing but an embarrassment to the community and the FSF needs to be a step above that if they want to make a positive difference.
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		<title>By: jaybus</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7806/#comment-8470</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with that the negative campaigning doesn\&#039;t work. It doesn\&#039;t even reach the mainstream, and those in the industry are tired of hearing it. Providing an alternative would certainly work better. However, in defense of the FSF and others, that is easier said than done. It is becoming increasingly difficult, particularly in the US, to code software that doesn\&#039;t step on one of the thousands of abstract software patents. And a dissimilar alternative, without resources for an ad campaign, usually remains largely unknown.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with that the negative campaigning doesn\&#8217;t work. It doesn\&#8217;t even reach the mainstream, and those in the industry are tired of hearing it. Providing an alternative would certainly work better. However, in defense of the FSF and others, that is easier said than done. It is becoming increasingly difficult, particularly in the US, to code software that doesn\&#8217;t step on one of the thousands of abstract software patents. And a dissimilar alternative, without resources for an ad campaign, usually remains largely unknown.</p>
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		<title>By: gerlos</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with your proposal: we need a more positive approach from FSF.&lt;br /&gt;
After all, didn\&#039;t GNU started this way? They started substituting every piece of proprietary software in unix systems with free (as in beer) alternatives, and in the end we got a complete system, GNU/Linux.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For example, I\&#039;m still using Dropbox just because it works great on any OS, and couldn\&#039;t find any free/open source alternative, but I\&#039;d love to switch to an open source alternative (now I\&#039;m hoping that owncloud will give us something similar, if not better: http://owncloud.org).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ok, it\&#039;s maybe more difficult to develop software than to say \&quot;don\&#039;t use that!\&quot;, but if for any proprietary software/service out there we could add \&quot;don\&#039;t use that, instead use *this*, because it\&#039;s free and works better!\&quot; it could be a totally different approach.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I\&#039;m thinking about twitter and identi.ca, for example. The former is closed, the second is open and free. It\&#039;s quite easy to convince people that the open source alternative is better than the closed source one: it works better, it has the same features and some more, and still lets you be present on the proprietary service, so you won\&#039;t loose anything, you only have something to gain.&lt;br /&gt;
Wouldn\&#039;t it be great if we could say the same thing for a lot of other free projects?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your proposal: we need a more positive approach from FSF.<br />
After all, didn\&#8217;t GNU started this way? They started substituting every piece of proprietary software in unix systems with free (as in beer) alternatives, and in the end we got a complete system, GNU/Linux.</p>
<p>For example, I\&#8217;m still using Dropbox just because it works great on any OS, and couldn\&#8217;t find any free/open source alternative, but I\&#8217;d love to switch to an open source alternative (now I\&#8217;m hoping that owncloud will give us something similar, if not better: <a href="http://owncloud.org" rel="nofollow">http://owncloud.org</a>).</p>
<p>Ok, it\&#8217;s maybe more difficult to develop software than to say \&#8221;don\&#8217;t use that!\&#8221;, but if for any proprietary software/service out there we could add \&#8221;don\&#8217;t use that, instead use *this*, because it\&#8217;s free and works better!\&#8221; it could be a totally different approach.</p>
<p>I\&#8217;m thinking about twitter and identi.ca, for example. The former is closed, the second is open and free. It\&#8217;s quite easy to convince people that the open source alternative is better than the closed source one: it works better, it has the same features and some more, and still lets you be present on the proprietary service, so you won\&#8217;t loose anything, you only have something to gain.<br />
Wouldn\&#8217;t it be great if we could say the same thing for a lot of other free projects?</p>
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		<title>By: sonshine</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7806/#comment-8472</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Amen, preach it brother!!! I have been saying this same thing for years. Nobody likes the negativity. We need a positive campaign that will show people they can get the exact same service from their computer without sacrificing freedom of choice and without spending an arm and a leg to get it! I agree with you all the way, well said!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, preach it brother!!! I have been saying this same thing for years. Nobody likes the negativity. We need a positive campaign that will show people they can get the exact same service from their computer without sacrificing freedom of choice and without spending an arm and a leg to get it! I agree with you all the way, well said!</p>
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		<title>By: wweng_linux</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7806/#comment-8473</link>
		<dc:creator>wweng_linux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FSF is a sham on English language. Preaching \&quot;software freedom\&quot; is stupid. Software doesn\&#039;t want to be Free.
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		<title>By: dragonwisard</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7806/#comment-8474</link>
		<dc:creator>dragonwisard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@wweng_linux: What is that supposed to me, \&quot;Software doesn\&#039;t want to be Free\&quot;? Are you anthropomorphizing your code?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Free Software is about the rights of the end-users, not the rights of the code itself.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@wweng_linux: What is that supposed to me, \&#8221;Software doesn\&#8217;t want to be Free\&#8221;? Are you anthropomorphizing your code?</p>
<p>Free Software is about the rights of the end-users, not the rights of the code itself.</p>
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		<title>By: dragonwisard</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7806/#comment-8475</link>
		<dc:creator>dragonwisard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;s/me/mean/
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		<title>By: ptaff</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7806/#comment-8476</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree that you can\&#039;t base a whole strategy on negativity.  That being said:&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;li&gt;You cannot create instant drop-in free replacements for all software; that does not validate the non-free software.  Not being able to produce (yet) a low-fat low-salt all-good-for-your-health hamburger does not make the current hamburger a wise choice for you; you may have to settle for fruits and vegetables meanwhile, which have nothing to do with burgers and can\&#039;t be sold as an alternative.  In some cases you need lots of time and expertise to create an alternative (flash replacement, driver reverse-engineering), in some cases you just can\&#039;t (patent-encumbered software).  It\&#039;s quite valid to preach against proprietary software when there\&#039;s no alternative yet.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Some arguments just can\&#039;t be anything else than negativity; how can you build a good alternative to DRM? you can\&#039;t, only no-DRM will do.  A good alternative to software patents? A good alternative to lock-in?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The iPad was released 2 months ago.  &lt;strong&gt;Of course&lt;/strong&gt; there is no alternative yet, is the FSF mandate to infiltrate proprietary companies and thus be able to release a competitive product in the same week as Apple?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;A little perspective helps.  Even though the free software people always lagged (and even though the Gno argument was always present), few mainstream programs from a couple of years ago don\&#039;t have a free replacement.  Yes, there was a time when the FSF complained about Microsoft Office with no serious alternative to push.  We just had to wait.&lt;/li&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that you can\&#8217;t base a whole strategy on negativity.  That being said:</p>
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<li>You cannot create instant drop-in free replacements for all software; that does not validate the non-free software.  Not being able to produce (yet) a low-fat low-salt all-good-for-your-health hamburger does not make the current hamburger a wise choice for you; you may have to settle for fruits and vegetables meanwhile, which have nothing to do with burgers and can\&#8217;t be sold as an alternative.  In some cases you need lots of time and expertise to create an alternative (flash replacement, driver reverse-engineering), in some cases you just can\&#8217;t (patent-encumbered software).  It\&#8217;s quite valid to preach against proprietary software when there\&#8217;s no alternative yet.</li>
<li>Some arguments just can\&#8217;t be anything else than negativity; how can you build a good alternative to DRM? you can\&#8217;t, only no-DRM will do.  A good alternative to software patents? A good alternative to lock-in?</li>
<li>The iPad was released 2 months ago.  <strong>Of course</strong> there is no alternative yet, is the FSF mandate to infiltrate proprietary companies and thus be able to release a competitive product in the same week as Apple?</li>
<li>A little perspective helps.  Even though the free software people always lagged (and even though the Gno argument was always present), few mainstream programs from a couple of years ago don\&#8217;t have a free replacement.  Yes, there was a time when the FSF complained about Microsoft Office with no serious alternative to push.  We just had to wait.</li>
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		<title>By: cm1967</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7806/#comment-8477</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You haven\&#039;t learned, have you?  When RMS and the Free Software Foundation believe in something and stand up for those beliefs, you\&#039;re not going to change their mind.  And why should they change their minds?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;dragonwisard: I\&#039;m very happy to be a part of the so-called \&quot;Stallmanists\&quot;.  I believe in Free Software and the Free Software movement.  If you don\&#039;t, that\&#039;s fine.  Support non-free software, its limitations, and the companies that want to lock you into their software.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You haven\&#8217;t learned, have you?  When RMS and the Free Software Foundation believe in something and stand up for those beliefs, you\&#8217;re not going to change their mind.  And why should they change their minds?</p>
<p>dragonwisard: I\&#8217;m very happy to be a part of the so-called \&#8221;Stallmanists\&#8221;.  I believe in Free Software and the Free Software movement.  If you don\&#8217;t, that\&#8217;s fine.  Support non-free software, its limitations, and the companies that want to lock you into their software.</p>
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		<title>By: jefro</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7806/#comment-8478</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am also a strong believer in FOSS and the Open Source Way, and have been for 18 years.  That\&#039;s why I always wince when I see crap like Defective By Design.  It lowers the FSF.  If a good message is wrapped in a blanket of polemic it will be ignored.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I\&#039;m not sure I agree with cm1967 that no one is going to change minds at the FSF.  They are human beings and they make choices.  If they choose to galvanize themselves and see friends as enemies, there is nothing empirically wrong with that.  But it makes the rest of us sad.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also a strong believer in FOSS and the Open Source Way, and have been for 18 years.  That\&#8217;s why I always wince when I see crap like Defective By Design.  It lowers the FSF.  If a good message is wrapped in a blanket of polemic it will be ignored.</p>
<p>I\&#8217;m not sure I agree with cm1967 that no one is going to change minds at the FSF.  They are human beings and they make choices.  If they choose to galvanize themselves and see friends as enemies, there is nothing empirically wrong with that.  But it makes the rest of us sad.</p>
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		<title>By: tallship</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7806/#comment-8479</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have to laugh when it comes to the part where you mention that even mACROsFOT has contributed, at least somewhat, to the Open Source community.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Like their recent Kernel contribs that will **NEVER** make into the Linux Kernel LOL!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah, I\&#039;m sorely disappointed in Stallman\&#039;s recent  behavioral direction - Like when I ended up at the FSF site on a page that was slamming Google and Mozilla recently, just prior to the open source release by Google of VP8.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some distros won\&#039;t include \&quot;ANYTHING\&quot; that isn\&#039;t completely free - as per the FSF\&#039;s definition of such, yet, as a Slackware user, I have no problems with using \&#039;pico\&#039;, and find myself invoking it, or expecting it to be on virtually every Linux Box.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, when it isn\&#039;t, I simply use \&#039;nano\&#039; instead. But if there\&#039;s no real discernable difference, why should this be such a big deal?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those are questions that will continue to fuel the debate for at least the next decade and a half - What is free? Is it really free? Why isn\&#039;t it considered free if it\&#039;s free? Etc..., :)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I do disagree with the notion that the free software movement is even close to being dead, though. It isn\&#039;t, although it may no longer be so much a movement as a fact of data processing life - having transcended the point where it needs to be a stand and now being a fact of life for a large portion of computing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The cracks in the Redmond foundation appeared only because of the FSF, and especially the GPL\&#039;d Linux Kernel. Those cracks only get bigger now as they fill with sand and debris form that earthquake that occurred so many years ago on Usenet.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kindest regards,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bradley D. Thornton&lt;br /&gt;
http://NorthTech.US&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to laugh when it comes to the part where you mention that even mACROsFOT has contributed, at least somewhat, to the Open Source community.</p>
<p>Like their recent Kernel contribs that will **NEVER** make into the Linux Kernel LOL!</p>
<p>Yeah, I\&#8217;m sorely disappointed in Stallman\&#8217;s recent  behavioral direction &#8211; Like when I ended up at the FSF site on a page that was slamming Google and Mozilla recently, just prior to the open source release by Google of VP8.</p>
<p>Some distros won\&#8217;t include \&#8221;ANYTHING\&#8221; that isn\&#8217;t completely free &#8211; as per the FSF\&#8217;s definition of such, yet, as a Slackware user, I have no problems with using \&#8217;pico\&#8217;, and find myself invoking it, or expecting it to be on virtually every Linux Box.</p>
<p>Of course, when it isn\&#8217;t, I simply use \&#8217;nano\&#8217; instead. But if there\&#8217;s no real discernable difference, why should this be such a big deal?</p>
<p>Those are questions that will continue to fuel the debate for at least the next decade and a half &#8211; What is free? Is it really free? Why isn\&#8217;t it considered free if it\&#8217;s free? Etc&#8230;, :)</p>
<p>I do disagree with the notion that the free software movement is even close to being dead, though. It isn\&#8217;t, although it may no longer be so much a movement as a fact of data processing life &#8211; having transcended the point where it needs to be a stand and now being a fact of life for a large portion of computing.</p>
<p>The cracks in the Redmond foundation appeared only because of the FSF, and especially the GPL\&#8217;d Linux Kernel. Those cracks only get bigger now as they fill with sand and debris form that earthquake that occurred so many years ago on Usenet.</p>
<p>Kindest regards,</p>
<p>Bradley D. Thornton<br />
<a href="http://NorthTech.US" rel="nofollow">http://NorthTech.US</a></p>
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		<title>By: jzb</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7806/#comment-8480</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@cm1967 \&quot;You haven\&#039;t learned, have you? When RMS and the Free Software Foundation believe in something and stand up for those beliefs, you\&#039;re not going to change their mind. And why should they change their minds?\&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please point to the portion of the article where I suggest that the FSF \&quot;change their minds.\&quot; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I simply suggest that the current approach to trying to get what they want is not working, and that they need a new approach.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@cm1967 \&#8221;You haven\&#8217;t learned, have you? When RMS and the Free Software Foundation believe in something and stand up for those beliefs, you\&#8217;re not going to change their mind. And why should they change their minds?\&#8221;</p>
<p>Please point to the portion of the article where I suggest that the FSF \&#8221;change their minds.\&#8221; </p>
<p>I simply suggest that the current approach to trying to get what they want is not working, and that they need a new approach.</p>
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		<title>By: jzb</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7806/#comment-8481</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@ptaff that\&#039;s silly. The industry had a pretty good idea what was coming with the iPad long before it was launched. People were speculating about it for years, literally. Yet its taken Linux companies how long to come up with tablets? That\&#039;s ridiculous. There\&#039;s no reason that we couldn\&#039;t have been first. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Even absent an existing alternative, the FSF failed to articulate any vision for a free replacement. The argument was simply \&quot;well, we know you *want* something like this - but don\&#039;t buy it. Because we\&#039;re right, trust us. We know you don\&#039;t think about computing our way, but listen anyway.\&quot; Not terribly effective.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ptaff that\&#8217;s silly. The industry had a pretty good idea what was coming with the iPad long before it was launched. People were speculating about it for years, literally. Yet its taken Linux companies how long to come up with tablets? That\&#8217;s ridiculous. There\&#8217;s no reason that we couldn\&#8217;t have been first. </p>
<p>Even absent an existing alternative, the FSF failed to articulate any vision for a free replacement. The argument was simply \&#8221;well, we know you *want* something like this &#8211; but don\&#8217;t buy it. Because we\&#8217;re right, trust us. We know you don\&#8217;t think about computing our way, but listen anyway.\&#8221; Not terribly effective.</p>
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		<title>By: shalom938</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I absolutely agree that negativity is wrong in any campaign , negative campaigns are usually one step before despair.&lt;br /&gt;
But what you\&#039;re saying is that we don\&#039;t really stand a chance, because providing better or equal alternatives first requires providing a lot of money which the free software movements don\&#039;t have. and convincing general public that protecting their rights is more meaningful then top edge functionality doesn\&#039;t have a chance,people just like new functionality and outstanding gadgets. most people I know don\&#039;t give a bit about their freedom, they just want their shiny MAC or IPhone to play with. compromising on a lot of free and a little non-free is what I do, using Debian for development and opensuse/ubuntu as a shiny desktop.&lt;br /&gt;
I believe free software promotion should come from the people, it started by individuals and should be promoted by individuals, I try to convince everyone I know that GNU/linux is a better OS and I really believe in that, I don\&#039;t use MAC as an ideology and I think free software and open source supporters should stop using MAC also as a good example.&lt;br /&gt;
In the linux distros world I think organizations and free software supporters should join forces and instead of having hundreds of unknown and non-functional distros we should have a few very good ones that can play better alternatives to MAC or windows OS\&#039;s.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely agree that negativity is wrong in any campaign , negative campaigns are usually one step before despair.<br />
But what you\&#8217;re saying is that we don\&#8217;t really stand a chance, because providing better or equal alternatives first requires providing a lot of money which the free software movements don\&#8217;t have. and convincing general public that protecting their rights is more meaningful then top edge functionality doesn\&#8217;t have a chance,people just like new functionality and outstanding gadgets. most people I know don\&#8217;t give a bit about their freedom, they just want their shiny MAC or IPhone to play with. compromising on a lot of free and a little non-free is what I do, using Debian for development and opensuse/ubuntu as a shiny desktop.<br />
I believe free software promotion should come from the people, it started by individuals and should be promoted by individuals, I try to convince everyone I know that GNU/linux is a better OS and I really believe in that, I don\&#8217;t use MAC as an ideology and I think free software and open source supporters should stop using MAC also as a good example.<br />
In the linux distros world I think organizations and free software supporters should join forces and instead of having hundreds of unknown and non-functional distros we should have a few very good ones that can play better alternatives to MAC or windows OS\&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: robertdaleweir</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Reverse Thinking&lt;br /&gt;
  Maybe we should forget North America and Europe and put all of our energies into China and India.  Since we have lost the race in these markets why not focus our efforts in the so-called new economies.&lt;br /&gt;
  There must be lots of old computers in these places which would love to have any operating system.  We know that the prominent OS will not run on older hardware so lets make ours available.  There are a lot of pundits from these countries who could champion our cause.&lt;br /&gt;
  Lets not allow the working hardware from these older systems to just die a premature death.  Pick the Mobos and vital parts and ship them to China and India.  Believe me they have all the resources necessary to assemble them. Create a .iso, of a stable system, for each set of old hardware and give it out free.  They can copy it, so just make it available with minimum setup required and Updates shutdown at first.&lt;br /&gt;
  Microsoft has apparently given up on China as it takes newer and much more expensive hardware to run its new OS.&lt;br /&gt;
  As the author of this article so aptly says \&quot;The only way to guarantee software freedom is build it.\&quot; maybe our efforts would be better appreciated and would spread faster elsewhere.&lt;br /&gt;
  Get into a market early enough and even bad software will thrive. Just make it available!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reverse Thinking<br />
  Maybe we should forget North America and Europe and put all of our energies into China and India.  Since we have lost the race in these markets why not focus our efforts in the so-called new economies.<br />
  There must be lots of old computers in these places which would love to have any operating system.  We know that the prominent OS will not run on older hardware so lets make ours available.  There are a lot of pundits from these countries who could champion our cause.<br />
  Lets not allow the working hardware from these older systems to just die a premature death.  Pick the Mobos and vital parts and ship them to China and India.  Believe me they have all the resources necessary to assemble them. Create a .iso, of a stable system, for each set of old hardware and give it out free.  They can copy it, so just make it available with minimum setup required and Updates shutdown at first.<br />
  Microsoft has apparently given up on China as it takes newer and much more expensive hardware to run its new OS.<br />
  As the author of this article so aptly says \&#8221;The only way to guarantee software freedom is build it.\&#8221; maybe our efforts would be better appreciated and would spread faster elsewhere.<br />
  Get into a market early enough and even bad software will thrive. Just make it available!</p>
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