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	<title>Comments on: Moving HPC Closer to The Desktop</title>
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		<title>By: marin2</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great article. Just want to comment on the mentioned lack of IB support with Amazon&#039;s cloud offering. Amazon is not the only HPC Cloud provider. Other providers as for example Penguin Computing do offer IB support in their on-demand infrastructure.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. Just want to comment on the mentioned lack of IB support with Amazon&#8217;s cloud offering. Amazon is not the only HPC Cloud provider. Other providers as for example Penguin Computing do offer IB support in their on-demand infrastructure.</p>
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		<title>By: stevend57</title>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think I have to disagree with the statement that said: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;If Cloud HPC works for your application(s), it is almost always going to be cheaper and easier than buying a new cluster.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have been with many companies as both HPC admin and HPC subject matter expert and the data sizes would really be a stumbling block to effectively using HPC clusters in the cloud. The network bandwidth that would be needed to allow users to get timely results in and out of a remote cluster would in many cases be prohibitively expensive.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I have to disagree with the statement that said: </p>
<p>&#8220;If Cloud HPC works for your application(s), it is almost always going to be cheaper and easier than buying a new cluster.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have been with many companies as both HPC admin and HPC subject matter expert and the data sizes would really be a stumbling block to effectively using HPC clusters in the cloud. The network bandwidth that would be needed to allow users to get timely results in and out of a remote cluster would in many cases be prohibitively expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: caddison2010</title>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;While a desk-side system can satisfy the needs for occasional HPC requirements, a lot of users need to perform 1000&#039;s of runs on such a system so some sort of HPC facility is required. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cloud HPC might be a suitable alternative if these batches of runs are infrequent and the cloud technical support available matches the user&#039;s needs (they often don&#039;t). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If frequent access to HPC systems over several years is required, then that Cloud money might be better spent, possibly contributing to local infrastructure that is managed by someone else. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The data security issues and data transfer times associated with using an HPC Cloud can also be show stoppers and always need to be considered.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While a desk-side system can satisfy the needs for occasional HPC requirements, a lot of users need to perform 1000&#8242;s of runs on such a system so some sort of HPC facility is required. </p>
<p>Cloud HPC might be a suitable alternative if these batches of runs are infrequent and the cloud technical support available matches the user&#8217;s needs (they often don&#8217;t). </p>
<p>If frequent access to HPC systems over several years is required, then that Cloud money might be better spent, possibly contributing to local infrastructure that is managed by someone else. </p>
<p>The data security issues and data transfer times associated with using an HPC Cloud can also be show stoppers and always need to be considered.</p>
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		<title>By: markhahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>markhahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;HPC is when you can&#039;t do it on your desktop - to big, too many, too long.  why would anyone really care about where their HPC cluster is located?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what bugs me about the current cloud noise is that a cloud is just a cluster with VM-enforced isolation.  you still need a scheduler (perhaps two levels), and pay a noticeable cost in performance.  and now you get to maintain your own OS+software stack.  but at least you&#039;ll never run &#039;ps&#039; and see someone you don&#039;t know ;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HPC is when you can&#8217;t do it on your desktop &#8211; to big, too many, too long.  why would anyone really care about where their HPC cluster is located?</p>
<p>what bugs me about the current cloud noise is that a cloud is just a cluster with VM-enforced isolation.  you still need a scheduler (perhaps two levels), and pay a noticeable cost in performance.  and now you get to maintain your own OS+software stack.  but at least you&#8217;ll never run &#8216;ps&#8217; and see someone you don&#8217;t know ;)</p>
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