Comments on: Who’s to Blame for the Linux Kernel?

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By: hajenius

hajenius — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Should Canonical be contributing more given its standing and dependency on the Linux kernel? I believe so.
Why is it that many people (including you, Joe) think/feel that the only important thing a self respecting company can do is working on the kernel? If some distro/company with 10 lines of code makes the difference between a usable program and a nice to use program, the value can not be measured in lines of code. I feel this is the case of Canonical: they put their efforts in small changes which make a (big) difference in the user experience.
And you as an old kernel hacker, who is never using a user interface different then the CL, will probably not see the value in this, but that is also the reason it probably is not your distro of choice (and it is for a lot of others!).

So please, do not measure a company by its contributions to the kernel, but what it does for the complete community.

By: onus

onus — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Well there is a video by Greg Kroah Hartman on youtube (Kernel Plumbers).
There you will get all such details.As a Kernel Hacker I can say the current kernel is good enough to handle the hardware which is daily getting updated.To some extent you are right that a company such as Canonical should be involved in funding the Kernel Development since they are heavily dependent on Linux Kernel by people like us.But I would like to remind you irrespective of the business needs for most people like me it is a hobby and passion to pursue.So same is true for Canonical.To make a Linux which is for human beings is their passion hence their objective is different than ours and this is perfectly all right.

By: randyscott99

randyscott99 — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

I think the time is right to take Linux out of being a hobby, and into mainstream. I mean, we need to get Linux competing with the big two: Microsoft and Apple. I dream of Linux being as popular as the other two, but we need someone to help us get there. I know there is some people that don’t want this to happen, but they will just have to deal with it.

By: mwclarke

mwclarke — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Not mainstream already ?
Well, Many security platforms today run on the Linux kernel.
Most super computers today are being built on the Linux kernel, military research, real-time simulation systems, weather modeling.
The biggest use of computer processing and storage, Internet archive project. I for one had been using other UNIX as major e-commerce applications (as any real serious major implementation would), I am now running mostly on Linux today.
Just Google, would be surprised how serious Linux plays a part for serious computing today.

By: uclicktu

uclicktu — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Have to agree strongly with hajenius here. As I have for many years had a passion for the Linux operating system I have never found a GUI or distro that would allow me to do this till now with what Ubuntu has provided as a solid set up and OS. I have a computing background but not much of a programming background and found that the U has allowed me to venture deeper into the understanding of linux with he ability to use a primary os. So for that I thank Canonical!

By: twt

twt — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

I agree with the others that it’s unfair to single out Canonical for their lack of contributions to the kernel. After all, Ubuntu is based on Debian, which calls itself “The Universal Operating System,” and “Debian GNU/Linux.” As they rightfully point out on their home page http://debian.org/ MOST of the basic OS tools come from the GNU project. So despite its importance, the linux part is still only a PART of the total.

Oh, and someday everyone will use the HURD kernel and we can have pure GNU everywhere, and won’t you feel silly calling it Linux then. Ahem.

By: klemmerj

klemmerj — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

I have to disagree with the position that hajenius and uclicktu have taken. While they do have a point about kernel contribution not necessarily being the mist important criteria for judging the value of a company to the Linux world, the idea that Ubuntu has been extremely beneficial to the advancement of Linux is ill-conceived. Ubuntu has been great for expanding the visibility of Linux, this is true. And that, in and of itself, is a good thing. But they have caused a problem in that the perception of Linux is that it is Ubuntu. When almost every article or howto starts using Ubuntu specific commands and configurations to explain general software or system topics it leave out more than half the Linux world.

By: klemmerj

klemmerj — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Oh! And twt, don’t hold your breath for HURD. We’ll see a version of Microsoft Linux before that ever becomes a reality.