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		<title>By: Magie</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 20:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: miahfost</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think you need to take into consideration why MeeGo is different Zonker, that would help explain some of the criticism leveled against it. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;MeeGo is designed to unify devices. That is to say, it is an embedded OS which enables software to run on any MeeGo device - TV, mobile phone, laptop, car, etc. That is quite an ambition. You could argue that Debian has already done this with its &#039;Universal OS&#039; and I wouldn&#039;t disagree with you, but the commercial support for MeeGo along with its broad ambitions means that MeeGo is the only OS of its class to address such a large market in a unified way. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is also why the compliance policy and trademark policy is so contentious - commercial support for Linux does not come for free. But this is a bit of pioneering work, not a lot of existing trademark case law address trademarks in conjunction with Free Software. While I too am critical of some of the moves made, nothing is yet written in stone and I think that there is considerable flexibility in the compliance and trademark policies. Let&#039;s not forget that Ubuntu is going to do the same thing and in fact already has a fairly nasty copyright contribution policy so they are not really yet as open as MeeGo. The good thing about the process is that we can iterate and refine it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As far as products are concerned, I&#039;d wait until after CES and MWC before we complain about the lack of MeeGo devices. :-)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lastly, community is very, very hard to get right. Debian can do it because it doesn&#039;t introduce money into the equation, everyone in Debian is a volunteer. Can you re-create a community like Debian&#039;s by paying people? I sincerely doubt it. This is not to say that Linux developers shouldn&#039;t get paid, its just that the interests of great hackers and corporations are not always aligned; money is not always the most important thing to hackers. Once Nokia, Intel, and even to some degree the Linux Foundation itself understands this, MeeGo will fly.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you need to take into consideration why MeeGo is different Zonker, that would help explain some of the criticism leveled against it. </p>
<p>MeeGo is designed to unify devices. That is to say, it is an embedded OS which enables software to run on any MeeGo device &#8211; TV, mobile phone, laptop, car, etc. That is quite an ambition. You could argue that Debian has already done this with its &#8216;Universal OS&#8217; and I wouldn&#8217;t disagree with you, but the commercial support for MeeGo along with its broad ambitions means that MeeGo is the only OS of its class to address such a large market in a unified way. </p>
<p>This is also why the compliance policy and trademark policy is so contentious &#8211; commercial support for Linux does not come for free. But this is a bit of pioneering work, not a lot of existing trademark case law address trademarks in conjunction with Free Software. While I too am critical of some of the moves made, nothing is yet written in stone and I think that there is considerable flexibility in the compliance and trademark policies. Let&#8217;s not forget that Ubuntu is going to do the same thing and in fact already has a fairly nasty copyright contribution policy so they are not really yet as open as MeeGo. The good thing about the process is that we can iterate and refine it.</p>
<p>As far as products are concerned, I&#8217;d wait until after CES and MWC before we complain about the lack of MeeGo devices. :-)</p>
<p>Lastly, community is very, very hard to get right. Debian can do it because it doesn&#8217;t introduce money into the equation, everyone in Debian is a volunteer. Can you re-create a community like Debian&#8217;s by paying people? I sincerely doubt it. This is not to say that Linux developers shouldn&#8217;t get paid, its just that the interests of great hackers and corporations are not always aligned; money is not always the most important thing to hackers. Once Nokia, Intel, and even to some degree the Linux Foundation itself understands this, MeeGo will fly.</p>
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		<title>By: jzb</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;I think you need to take into consideration why MeeGo is different Zonker, that would help explain some of the criticism leveled against it.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did you read the article? ;-) Yes, MeeGo has some differences compared to Debian, Fedora, etc. So what? Right is right. The bottom line, I&#039;m not hearing anybody that&#039;s pleased with MeeGo&#039;s community right now. Community isn&#039;t something you can bolt on or address when the corporate powers that be are finally where they want to be with a product. It has to be done right in conjunction with other development goals. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;As far as products are concerned, I&#039;d wait until after CES and MWC before we complain about the lack of MeeGo devices. :-)&quot; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Um, no. :-) MeeGo missed a crucial holiday sales period. Yeah, Nokia and others will trot out some goodies at CES - so what? They missed the 2010 holiday boat. Apple will have the iPad 2.0 out on display soon, Android 3.0 devices are around the corner - MeeGo is going to be trailing badly with first-gen devices. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;Lastly, community is very, very hard to get right&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t disagree - but that&#039;s not an excuse. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;Let&#039;s not forget that Ubuntu is going to do the same thing and in fact already has a fairly nasty copyright contribution policy so they are not really yet as open as MeeGo.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Project A doing something similar does not excuse Project B&#039;s poor behavior or governance. I&#039;ve also criticized Canonical where I&#039;ve felt necessary - I&#039;m not exactly cutting them slack. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Look - Intel and Nokia had existing communities before MeeGo. The &quot;we&#039;re just getting started&quot; excuse is no defense. It&#039;s not easy for companies of their size to work with communities, but that&#039;s not an excuse not to do better.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think you need to take into consideration why MeeGo is different Zonker, that would help explain some of the criticism leveled against it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Did you read the article? ;-) Yes, MeeGo has some differences compared to Debian, Fedora, etc. So what? Right is right. The bottom line, I&#8217;m not hearing anybody that&#8217;s pleased with MeeGo&#8217;s community right now. Community isn&#8217;t something you can bolt on or address when the corporate powers that be are finally where they want to be with a product. It has to be done right in conjunction with other development goals. </p>
<p>&#8220;As far as products are concerned, I&#8217;d wait until after CES and MWC before we complain about the lack of MeeGo devices. :-)&#8221; </p>
<p>Um, no. :-) MeeGo missed a crucial holiday sales period. Yeah, Nokia and others will trot out some goodies at CES &#8211; so what? They missed the 2010 holiday boat. Apple will have the iPad 2.0 out on display soon, Android 3.0 devices are around the corner &#8211; MeeGo is going to be trailing badly with first-gen devices. </p>
<p>&#8220;Lastly, community is very, very hard to get right&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree &#8211; but that&#8217;s not an excuse. </p>
<p>&#8220;Let&#8217;s not forget that Ubuntu is going to do the same thing and in fact already has a fairly nasty copyright contribution policy so they are not really yet as open as MeeGo.&#8221;</p>
<p>Project A doing something similar does not excuse Project B&#8217;s poor behavior or governance. I&#8217;ve also criticized Canonical where I&#8217;ve felt necessary &#8211; I&#8217;m not exactly cutting them slack. </p>
<p>Look &#8211; Intel and Nokia had existing communities before MeeGo. The &#8220;we&#8217;re just getting started&#8221; excuse is no defense. It&#8217;s not easy for companies of their size to work with communities, but that&#8217;s not an excuse not to do better.</p>
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		<title>By: mrfredsmoothie</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;It’s as if MeeGo doesn’t want repackaging to take place.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Packaging is something hardware vendors do. The Community is for providing unpaid development staff for infrastructure projects and for somehow magically creating a thriving app ecosystem which will make your company&#039;s devices suddenly competitive with Apple and Google when they ship two years from now.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s as if MeeGo doesn’t want repackaging to take place.&#8221;</p>
<p>Packaging is something hardware vendors do. The Community is for providing unpaid development staff for infrastructure projects and for somehow magically creating a thriving app ecosystem which will make your company&#8217;s devices suddenly competitive with Apple and Google when they ship two years from now.</p>
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