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		<title>By: davidbrown</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/8342/#comment-9211</link>
		<dc:creator>davidbrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MIPS is far from dead - they are used in a huge number of devices.  You just don&#039;t see them because they are not used on desktops or servers (though they are used in a few phones).  You also failed to mention the PowerPC and Power chips, which are still used vast numbers despite Apple moving to x86.

It is also worth noting that one of your RISC corpses - and probably the most expensive failure - is Intel&#039;s own Itanium.

You are right in general, of course - x86 are dominant in PC&#039;s and servers.  Much of this is due to Intel&#039;s excellent engineering, and criminally good sales and marketing.  But most of all it is due to software compatibility.  And it is very much in spite of the hideous basic x86 architecture that was considered limited and outdated before the 8086 was first produced.  The current Intel chips are proof that you &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; polish a turd.

What makes the big difference now compared to the Vax is software compatibility.  For the past two decades, software has been dominated by pre-compiled binaries running on proprietary OS&#039;s written for a single processor architecture.  But these days hardware and software vendors are getting a lot more experience with cross-platform software that will run on different OS&#039;s and different processors.  The compatibility barrier is much lower - it is &lt;i&gt;much&lt;/i&gt; easier to replace your x86 server with an ARM server if it runs the same web server, the same OS, the same file server, etc., as the old system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MIPS is far from dead &#8211; they are used in a huge number of devices.  You just don&#8217;t see them because they are not used on desktops or servers (though they are used in a few phones).  You also failed to mention the PowerPC and Power chips, which are still used vast numbers despite Apple moving to x86.</p>
<p>It is also worth noting that one of your RISC corpses &#8211; and probably the most expensive failure &#8211; is Intel&#8217;s own Itanium.</p>
<p>You are right in general, of course &#8211; x86 are dominant in PC&#8217;s and servers.  Much of this is due to Intel&#8217;s excellent engineering, and criminally good sales and marketing.  But most of all it is due to software compatibility.  And it is very much in spite of the hideous basic x86 architecture that was considered limited and outdated before the 8086 was first produced.  The current Intel chips are proof that you <i>can</i> polish a turd.</p>
<p>What makes the big difference now compared to the Vax is software compatibility.  For the past two decades, software has been dominated by pre-compiled binaries running on proprietary OS&#8217;s written for a single processor architecture.  But these days hardware and software vendors are getting a lot more experience with cross-platform software that will run on different OS&#8217;s and different processors.  The compatibility barrier is much lower &#8211; it is <i>much</i> easier to replace your x86 server with an ARM server if it runs the same web server, the same OS, the same file server, etc., as the old system.</p>
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		<title>By: GrueMaster</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/8342/#comment-9177</link>
		<dc:creator>GrueMaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 20:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, you can run Ubuntu on TI Omap4 &quot;Panda&quot; boards now.  See http://pandaboard.org to get a platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, you can run Ubuntu on TI Omap4 &#8220;Panda&#8221; boards now.  See <a href="http://pandaboard.org" rel="nofollow">http://pandaboard.org</a> to get a platform.</p>
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		<title>By: Raimo Koski</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/8342/#comment-9175</link>
		<dc:creator>Raimo Koski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 10:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mips is still used in some SoCs and I don&#039;t think it is going away soon. For example, WD TV Live has one:
&lt;code&gt;
# ssh 192.168.0.100
root@192.168.0.100&#039;s password: 
 01010111 01000100 01001100 01011000 01010100 01010110 
        1.02.21_WDLXTV.COM_WDLXTV_LIVE-0.4.2.6
# cat /proc/cpuinfo 
system type             : Sigma Designs TangoX
processor               : 0
cpu model               : MIPS 24K V7.12  FPU V0.0
Initial BogoMIPS        : 332.59
wait instruction        : yes
microsecond timers      : yes
tlb_entries             : 32
extra interrupt vector  : yes
hardware watchpoint     : yes
ASEs implemented        : mips16
shadow register sets    : 1
VCED exceptions         : not available
VCEI exceptions         : not available

System bus frequency    : 333000000 Hz
CPU frequency           : 499500000 Hz
DSP frequency           : 333000000 Hz
&lt;/code&gt;
True, ARM is more common, but I don&#039;t know what CPU&#039;s my Sony TV and Samsung Blu-ray player have, don&#039;t have root access yet ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mips is still used in some SoCs and I don&#8217;t think it is going away soon. For example, WD TV Live has one:<br />
<code><br />
# ssh 192.168.0.100<br />
<a href="mailto:root@192.168.0.100">root@192.168.0.100</a>'s password:<br />
 01010111 01000100 01001100 01011000 01010100 01010110<br />
        1.02.21_WDLXTV.COM_WDLXTV_LIVE-0.4.2.6<br />
# cat /proc/cpuinfo<br />
system type             : Sigma Designs TangoX<br />
processor               : 0<br />
cpu model               : MIPS 24K V7.12  FPU V0.0<br />
Initial BogoMIPS        : 332.59<br />
wait instruction        : yes<br />
microsecond timers      : yes<br />
tlb_entries             : 32<br />
extra interrupt vector  : yes<br />
hardware watchpoint     : yes<br />
ASEs implemented        : mips16<br />
shadow register sets    : 1<br />
VCED exceptions         : not available<br />
VCEI exceptions         : not available</p>
<p>System bus frequency    : 333000000 Hz<br />
CPU frequency           : 499500000 Hz<br />
DSP frequency           : 333000000 Hz<br />
</code><br />
True, ARM is more common, but I don&#8217;t know what CPU&#8217;s my Sony TV and Samsung Blu-ray player have, don&#8217;t have root access yet ;)</p>
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		<title>By: zakhurlifesbane</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/8342/#comment-9171</link>
		<dc:creator>zakhurlifesbane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 23:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooops, what about the MIPS?  The Loongson processor is making inroads into the ARM markets, and the software toolchain is certainly there to convert Android or Meego to work on it, and there is a running linux on it now.

It is 64-bit and still low power, with more registers than the ARM and a similar orthogonal instruction set.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooops, what about the MIPS?  The Loongson processor is making inroads into the ARM markets, and the software toolchain is certainly there to convert Android or Meego to work on it, and there is a running linux on it now.</p>
<p>It is 64-bit and still low power, with more registers than the ARM and a similar orthogonal instruction set.</p>
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		<title>By: znmeb</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/8342/#comment-9170</link>
		<dc:creator>znmeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 22:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll have to wait until I see your software post, but I look at the corpses in RISC / Superscalar - MIPS, Celerity, Sparc, Alpha, Itanium, HP-PA - that fell before the onslaught of Intel&#039;s ability to out-engineer, out-manufacture and out-sell them with a CISC processor.

Now - *decades* later - we have a RISC architecture that could do to x86 what x86 did to the Vax? Maybe, but it will take more than just Android and iOS to make it happen. It will take an *Intel-sized* engineering, manufacturing and sales force to make it happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll have to wait until I see your software post, but I look at the corpses in RISC / Superscalar &#8211; MIPS, Celerity, Sparc, Alpha, Itanium, HP-PA &#8211; that fell before the onslaught of Intel&#8217;s ability to out-engineer, out-manufacture and out-sell them with a CISC processor.</p>
<p>Now &#8211; *decades* later &#8211; we have a RISC architecture that could do to x86 what x86 did to the Vax? Maybe, but it will take more than just Android and iOS to make it happen. It will take an *Intel-sized* engineering, manufacturing and sales force to make it happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Sharp</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/8342/#comment-9169</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Sharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 22:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that Douglas.  I&#039;m looking forward to your next installment hoping it educates me on my ARM-related computing desires.  I run Ubuntu for the usual stuff plus MythTV, so my only semi &quot;high-power&quot; need is in the GPU area, though only then on the Mythfrontend machine, and my keen interest is in doing the above (plus internet gateway and a file server option for the family) at as low an electrical power consumption as possible, since it is an often or even always-on machine.

So might I expect before long (or already?) that there would be ARM motherboards offering serious multi-core CPU GHz and built-in powerful GPU, but really low electrical power consumption?  And might I also expect a version of Ubuntu that runs all that.

Forgive any ignorant bits of the above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that Douglas.  I&#8217;m looking forward to your next installment hoping it educates me on my ARM-related computing desires.  I run Ubuntu for the usual stuff plus MythTV, so my only semi &#8220;high-power&#8221; need is in the GPU area, though only then on the Mythfrontend machine, and my keen interest is in doing the above (plus internet gateway and a file server option for the family) at as low an electrical power consumption as possible, since it is an often or even always-on machine.</p>
<p>So might I expect before long (or already?) that there would be ARM motherboards offering serious multi-core CPU GHz and built-in powerful GPU, but really low electrical power consumption?  And might I also expect a version of Ubuntu that runs all that.</p>
<p>Forgive any ignorant bits of the above.</p>
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		<title>By: ddennedy</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/8342/#comment-9168</link>
		<dc:creator>ddennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 22:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is actually not the post-PC era yet. So, although I am fairly sure Doug knows that Windows Phone 7 runs on ARM, he was actually referring to desktop and server editions of Windows - not that difficult to infer. Regarding your comment on Intel, is that similar to how they have become such a strong contender in the high end GPU market?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is actually not the post-PC era yet. So, although I am fairly sure Doug knows that Windows Phone 7 runs on ARM, he was actually referring to desktop and server editions of Windows &#8211; not that difficult to infer. Regarding your comment on Intel, is that similar to how they have become such a strong contender in the high end GPU market?</p>
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		<title>By: richard_bent</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/8342/#comment-9167</link>
		<dc:creator>richard_bent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 20:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one step that seems to be left out on these columns is proofreading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one step that seems to be left out on these columns is proofreading.</p>
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		<title>By: bertport</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/8342/#comment-9165</link>
		<dc:creator>bertport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 17:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>may not &lt;b&gt;fare&lt;b&gt; so well
&lt;b&gt;sheer&lt;b&gt; number of vendors</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>may not <b>fare</b><b> so well<br />
</b><b>sheer</b><b> number of vendors</b></p>
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		<title>By: jay sprenkle</title>
		<link>http://www.linux-mag.com/id/8342/#comment-9164</link>
		<dc:creator>jay sprenkle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 15:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Douglas, you really should have someone proof read your column. The spell checker is &quot;naught&quot; sufficient. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas, you really should have someone proof read your column. The spell checker is &#8220;naught&#8221; sufficient. ;)</p>
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		<dc:creator>thechronic@runbox.no</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 13:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the author: Windows does run on ARM. Specifically the Win Phone 7 OS. Windows 8 will too. Since you know about the Nokia-Microsoft deal, I would have thought this was clear to you. Intel&#039;s continued shrinking of their low-power chip will make them a contender in both smart-phones and the HPC market. Intel will always be a step ahead of others in process technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the author: Windows does run on ARM. Specifically the Win Phone 7 OS. Windows 8 will too. Since you know about the Nokia-Microsoft deal, I would have thought this was clear to you. Intel&#8217;s continued shrinking of their low-power chip will make them a contender in both smart-phones and the HPC market. Intel will always be a step ahead of others in process technology.</p>
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		<description>Last I checked MSFT will have an ARM version of win8. Are there not any wp7 phones with arm chips? MSFT should be able to get back in the game, especially with their ace in the hole, gaming.

For HPCs, ARMs will definitely be getting more popular. To get exascale there is little current alternative. Gpgpus are wanting for software, arm not so much. Also, convey has a chance to get a crack at things as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last I checked MSFT will have an ARM version of win8. Are there not any wp7 phones with arm chips? MSFT should be able to get back in the game, especially with their ace in the hole, gaming.</p>
<p>For HPCs, ARMs will definitely be getting more popular. To get exascale there is little current alternative. Gpgpus are wanting for software, arm not so much. Also, convey has a chance to get a crack at things as well.</p>
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